Rick Barnes discussion (merged)

[Izzy1984$]

I understand this is a typical Barnes team.

Guess you did not watch the third round of the SEC Tournament.

 

[JBD_Vol]

Nice alternate reality you've created for yourself here on VN...lol.

Peral is a great coach who's made it to the F4 (tying CRB) and one of our best we ever had but he damaged our program and his legacy - please show me all these posts stating Pearl didn't do great things here.

Pearl got the E8 while here and hopefully CRB does the same or better. CRB has accomplished things Pearl never did while here (e.g., SEC tournament, rankings, etc...). CRB will be a HOF coach. These are the facts - sorry it somehow upsets you.

That does not upset me. I like both coaches. I have said that about CRB and I never said to fire either one of them. I also do not think both are perfect. I am not into evil, but this is a game called basketball. I am confident I do not have the same beliefs of either of those coaches, but again, this is basketball and I am not into all of the other things people in the spotlight do. They are not my moral examples. This is simply basketball. If others want to do that, fine.

Pearl is not our coach now. Therefore, I want our coach to be better than him in this tournament. In fact, I want our coaches and team to be better than all of the others in the tourney.

Records are great, but I am sticking with wanting to win it all. Somehow, that mentality is wrong to some in this day and age for some reason. I am not going to like losing to anyone and especially teams we really should beat with an allowance for an occasional game where the victory just does not happen.

 

[brockytop]

I sure don’t want any complaining about our draw this year. The committee set us up for a run to the Elite Eight and possibly beyond. Now we’ll see if Barnes and this team can take advantage of what’s laid in front of them. It won’t be easy but this team—when playing well—is better than any team they’ll face until the EE.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

I sure don’t want any complaining about our draw this year. The committee set us up for a run to the Elite Eight and possibly beyond. Now we’ll see if Barnes and this team can take advantage of what’s laid in front of them. It won’t be easy but this team—when playing well—is better than any team they’ll face until the EE.

We've had plenty of good draws. One game at a time. Everyone is talking about who we are going to play. Let's beat St. Peter's first

 

[JBD_Vol]

We've had plenty of good draws. One game at a time. Everyone is talking about who we are going to play. Let's beat St. Peter's first

We do not need to worry about who we are playing until we play them. This team can win it all. It will be done without thinking DK is going to carry the load. Everyone has to be ready starting now.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

We do not need to worry about who we are playing until we play them. This team can win it all. It will be done without thinking DK is going to carry the load. Everyone has to be ready starting now.

The players KNOW they can win big, pressurized games without DK having a good game. They won at Rupp and Coleman with DK getting 13 and 16. Before the last game against UK, we had won 6 in a row. Beating UK in the last game and wing both the SEC and NCAA tournaments would have required a 16 game winning streak, which would have been almost miraculous. We needed to lose a game or two in between before NCAA

 

[Vols till I fall]

The problem with this fanbase is about 30 percent of the fans are dumbasses. 30 percent of those loud mouths don't watch basketball and then choose to chime in when they see Barnes lose 1 game.

Enjoy it while you can because it's rare to have a successful coach at Tennessee such as Barnes

 

[MinisterofDef#92]

That does not upset me. I like both coaches. I have said that about CRB and I never said to fire either one of them. I also do not think both are perfect. I am not into evil, but this is a game called basketball. I am confident I do not have the same beliefs of either of those coaches, but again, this is basketball and I am not into all of the other things people in the spotlight do. They are not my moral examples. This is simply basketball. If others want to do that, fine.

Pearl is not our coach now. Therefore, I want our coach to be better than him in this tournament. In fact, I want our coaches and team to be better than all of the others in the tourney.

Records are great, but I am sticking with wanting to win it all. Somehow, that mentality is wrong to some in this day and age for some reason. I am not going to like losing to anyone and especially teams we really should beat with an allowance for an occasional game where the victory just does not happen.

Much more sensible post than what you replied to me with. Regarding the morality aspect you allude to, one would be foolish to disregard the ethical decision-making of any coach let alone the head coach. Bruce's bad decisions placed our program in jeopardy and resulted in his show-cause while setting in motion a chain of events which took us years to recover from...those are the facts.

 

[brockytop]

We've had plenty of good draws. One game at a time. Everyone is talking about who we are going to play. Let's beat St. Peter's first

My post regarded our path to the Elite Eight as dictated by the bracket laid out by the NCAA selection committee. If that bothers you this time of year then you probably don’t need to be on a message board.

 

[OrangeInKy]

Much more sensible post than what you replied to me with. Regarding the morality aspect you allude to, one would be foolish to disregard the ethical decision-making of any coach let alone the head coach. Bruce's bad decisions placed our program in jeopardy and resulted in his show-cause while setting in motion a chain of events which took us years to recover from...those are the facts.

Well said. Also, who knows what kind of coach we would have gotten after Tyndall had Barnes not been available and wanted the job. The chain of events his actions set in motion could have ended much differently had we not lucked out with Barnes.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

My post regarded our path to the Elite Eight as dictated by the bracket laid out by the NCAA selection committee. If that bothers you this time of year then you probably don’t need to be on a message board.

It didn't bother me. Not sure where you got that idea, but I certainly don't need a know-nothing telling me what I don't need to do

 

[JBD_Vol]

Much more sensible post than what you replied to me with. Regarding the morality aspect you allude to, one would be foolish to disregard the ethical decision-making of any coach let alone the head coach. Bruce's bad decisions placed our program in jeopardy and resulted in his show-cause while setting in motion a chain of events which took us years to recover from...those are the facts.

Long post. if tl, then dr and ga (go away).

Not interested in whether you think something is sensible or not. I'll let you stick to your sunday school class what is sensible lessons.

As for ncaa ethics (Hah!), he did get caught by the ncaa. Don't care about those jokes, but I will add this. Alabama did stuff like that for years even before 1993 in football (I'll stay away from after then for now). There are a number of teams in football and bball that did things. People knew what was happening including the ncaa, but Alabama was one of the southern teams that had respect more like the midwest, specifically big10 in bball and in football. Note: We did it too before cornbread, but we were not as stupid back in the day like cornbread was just a few years ago and I do not think we were ever as good at it in football or basketball as some of those teams like the bammers and mildkittens. I am very glad the ncaa is being cut down or we would have been hammered.

I was at WKU my freshman year before transferring here. I lived in one side of a dorm that had football scholarship guys on the other side. I met a few. As the rules basically were, a player who might not be full of money could go eat on a weekend, but if he needed laundry money and did not have it, he was basically left out on his own or technically risking wrongdoing with the ncaa. That is not made up and while getting the education is great, you have a long wait to be paid if that even happens when you're a freshman under that banner of clean and pure amateur athletics like that 1980 soviet powerhouse of hockey amateurs in the olympics. Everyone else can go get a job instead of not being paid for the job they already have which brings in a lot of cash and during the season, they do not have time to work another job while playing sports anyway.

That org is a monopoly which is run by those who have their favorites. It's like the one guy I was reading about earlier who is very often being placed on various committees, etc. that hate a former president and so, they are looking at his and his followers supposedly terrible wrongdoings. Of course, their side is angelically clean and pure, though.

The ncaa has, like them, always liked who it likes and on a side note, it is interestingly close to those programs that the media likes. When someone who they liked a good bit (bama) went way overboard (we're talking law, trials and stuff), they had to act, but I highly doubt that they would have gone that far if that legal stuff had not happened and with say a meatchicken or notre dumb, you can bet they will be soft if that is in any way possible.

If you think I'm wrong, tell me which was worse... what Pearl did or what unc (yes, Roy knew) did. In fact, because they tend to really like our present coach, we would probably be treated a tad softer now, but I don't care for that in the least. It's bogus and always has been.

We did not do well and were affected as we lost a very good coach (which a lot of people do not seem to want to admit) and we suffered because of it, but made the tourney once until Barnes' third year. May he rest in peace, but our ad might not have done the best in picking a replacement It was not good, but I will not go with the "we were at the depths of despair, our program was in ruins" tactic. I say that because if Pearl had not been a darn good coach, it really would not have hurt us that much because we would have sucked anyway.

Also, it is interesting how there has been a group here who diminishes what the program accomplished as seen by a significant bashing of his work when it is quite comparable to our present coach, whom I like mostly because he is pretty darn good at it, although the career lengths are different. In fact, our former coach could end up with a record like our present coach if he coaches well like he is doing for about as long. While I read in I think this thread, but definitely in one on this site in the last day or 2 that we should not give Pearl that much credit because he was D2, I disagree. His record stands whether you or I like it and his present performance is proving that to be true.

 

[MinisterofDef#92]

Long post. if tl, then dr and ga (go away).

Not interested in whether you think something is sensible or not. I'll let you stick to your sunday school class what is sensible lessons.

As for ncaa ethics (Hah!), he did get caught by the ncaa. Don't care about those jokes, but I will add this. Alabama did stuff like that for years even before 1993 in football (I'll stay away from after then for now). There are a number of teams in football and bball that did things. People knew what was happening including the ncaa, but Alabama was one of the southern teams that had respect more like the midwest, specifically big10 in bball and in football. Note: We did it too before cornbread, but we were not as stupid back in the day like cornbread was just a few years ago and I do not think we were ever as good at it in football or basketball as some of those teams like the bammers and mildkittens. I am very glad the ncaa is being cut down or we would have been hammered.

I was at WKU my freshman year before transferring here. I lived in one side of a dorm that had football scholarship guys on the other side. I met a few. As the rules basically were, a player who might not be full of money could go eat on a weekend, but if he needed laundry money and did not have it, he was basically left out on his own or technically risking wrongdoing with the ncaa. That is not made up and while getting the education is great, you have a long wait to be paid if that even happens when you're a freshman under that banner of clean and pure amateur athletics like that 1980 soviet powerhouse of hockey amateurs in the olympics. Everyone else can go get a job instead of not being paid for the job they already have which brings in a lot of cash and during the season, they do not have time to work another job while playing sports anyway.

That org is a monopoly which is run by those who have their favorites. It's like the one guy I was reading about earlier who is very often being placed on various committees, etc. that hate a former president and so, they are looking at his and his followers supposedly terrible wrongdoings. Of course, their side is angelically clean and pure, though.

The ncaa has, like them, always liked who it likes and on a side note, it is interestingly close to those programs that the media likes. When someone who they liked a good bit (bama) went way overboard (we're talking law, trials and stuff), they had to act, but I highly doubt that they would have gone that far if that legal stuff had not happened and with say a meatchicken or notre dumb, you can bet they will be soft if that is in any way possible.

If you think I'm wrong, tell me which was worse... what Pearl did or what unc (yes, Roy knew) did. In fact, because they tend to really like our present coach, we would probably be treated a tad softer now, but I don't care for that in the least. It's bogus and always has been.

We did not do well and were affected as we lost a very good coach (which a lot of people do not seem to want to admit) and we suffered because of it, but made the tourney once until Barnes' third year. May he rest in peace, but our ad might not have done the best in picking a replacement It was not good, but I will not go with the "we were at the depths of despair, our program was in ruins" tactic. I say that because if Pearl had not been a darn good coach, it really would not have hurt us that much because we would have sucked anyway.

Also, it is interesting how there has been a group here who diminishes what the program accomplished as seen by a significant bashing of his work when it is quite comparable to our present coach, whom I like mostly because he is pretty darn good at it, although the career lengths are different. In fact, our former coach could end up with a record like our present coach if he coaches well like he is doing for about as long. While I read in I think this thread, but definitely in one on this site in the last day or 2 that we should not give Pearl that much credit because he was D2, I disagree. His record stands whether you or I like it and his present performance is proving that to be true.

Your reply was too long so I only skimmed...here are my comments:

The truth cuts both ways with Pearl...nothing "Sunday School" about being pragmatic and expecting your head coach to not make stupid, selfish decisions. No one I have seen on here denies Bruce accomplished great things while here and, despite my request for examples to the contrary, you provided none. It is quite apparent that some, including you, can't handle the facts regarding how Bruce hurt our program and himself. As far as Pearl's recent results at Auburn, at least he got the F4 appearance - otherwise, they might be looking for another coach because everything else has been missing the tourney or an early 2nd round exit...we'll see whether his current team meets expectations of E8 or better - anything less would be a gross underachievement.

And the NCAA is possibly the most corrupt organization in my lifetime...I have despised the NCAA and university Presidents for decades. Pure greed and exploitation - thankfully that is finally coming to an end and TN is helping to put the final nails in their coffin. Given who the NCAA is and how they operate, you have to know they're going to give preferential treatment to certain schools and not others so, as a coach, you should act accordingly.

 

[JBD_Vol]

What do you mean by “No one I have seen on here denies Bruce accomplished great things while here and, despite my request for examples to the contrary, you provided none.”

I I think he did very good things while he was here and I think Coach Barnes has also.

I never said it was great what happened, but I did say that I don’t think it brought the program to its knees. Additionally, I’m not into following rules of corrupt organizations. The NCAA is corrupt.

 

[SGMVols]

Well said. Also, who knows what kind of coach we would have gotten after Tyndall had Barnes not been available and wanted the job. The chain of events his actions set in motion could have ended much differently had we not lucked out with Barnes.

We would’ve been hiring from the D2 ranks had Texas not fired Barnes. Nobody else wanted the job. It was a total dumpster fire.

 

[SGMVols]

Bruce did great things here...the rub is those very few posters who use Pearl to somehow denigrate the achievements of CRB (usually by making silly claims).

Pearl slurpers will bash Barnes over the head over his March record while ignoring the litany of bad tournament performances on Pearl’s resume.

Losing to Wichita State
Blowing a 20 point 2nd half lead to OSU
Getting pasted by Louisville
Losing in the first round to TRAVIS FORD
Losing an 8/9 game by 30
Losing to Clemson by 30
Losing in the 2nd round with Jabari Smith

 

[OrangeInKy]

Pearl slurpers will bash Barnes over the head over his March record while ignoring the litany of bad tournament performances on Pearl’s resume.

Losing to Wichita State
Blowing a 20 point 2nd half lead to OSU
Getting pasted by Louisville
Losing in the first round to TRAVIS FORD
Losing an 8/9 game by 30
Losing to Clemson by 30
Losing in the 2nd round with Jabari Smith

Just about lost to 15 seed Winthrop in 2006 if Lofton didn’t bail us out

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

What do you mean by “No one I have seen on here denies Bruce accomplished great things while here and, despite my request for examples to the contrary, you provided none.”

I I think he did very good things while he was here and I think Coach Barnes has also.

I never said it was great what happened, but I did say that I don’t think it brought the program to its knees. Additionally, I’m not into following rules of corrupt organizations. The NCAA is corrupt.

Yes, indeed the NCAA is corrupt. That doesn't mitigate Pearl's corruptness while he was our coach

 

[MinisterofDef#92]

Pearl slurpers will bash Barnes over the head over his March record while ignoring the litany of bad tournament performances on Pearl’s resume.

Losing to Wichita State
Blowing a 20 point 2nd half lead to OSU
Getting pasted by Louisville
Losing in the first round to TRAVIS FORD
Losing an 8/9 game by 30
Losing to Clemson by 30
Losing in the 2nd round with Jabari Smith

Yep...other than 2018 F4 season, Bruce's results at Auburn have not been good: 5 of the prior 9 seasons missing the tourney and 3 second round exits. If he doesn't make it to E8 or better it will be a big disappointment given the expectations.

 

[JBD_Vol]

A picture with 700+ win coaches and their percentages in the tournament was posted a couple weeks ago in this thread, as I recall. I downloaded it. It clearly shows that Bruce Pearl and Rick Barnes are very similar with regard to tournament performance.

On a side note, Dukes old coach was the highest rated, which was interesting given that one comment made to me was that the person didn’t care about Coach K. As I have written, I’m not a fan of Duke, but that coach was darn good.

While you are trying to prove that Pearl is not that good in the tourney, you are proving the same about Coach Barnes if indeed your belief about Coach Pearl is true.

 

[Zues1]

First is Tennessee, second Auburn

 

[UTFanForLife]

Pearl slurpers will bash Barnes over the head over his March record while ignoring the litany of bad tournament performances on Pearl’s resume.

Losing to Wichita State
Blowing a 20 point 2nd half lead to OSU
Getting pasted by Louisville
Losing in the first round to TRAVIS FORD
Losing an 8/9 game by 30
Losing to Clemson by 30
Losing in the 2nd round with Jabari Smith

Got to add another line now.

 

[volbound1700]

Got to add another line now.

Sounds like it isn't about Barnes but about the entire SEC being incompetent in March.

 

[MinisterofDef#92]

Yes, this is Pearl’s 20th year a D1 head coach. He didn’t make the NCAA two years at Milwaukee along with his first three years at Auburn along with one year being ineligible and the other being the Covid year when Auburn went 25-6.

He’s been at Auburn one year longer than Barnes has been at Tennessee and has two SEC tourney titles to Barnes’ one and a Final Four whereas Barnes hasn’t been beyond the Sweet Sixteen in 15 seasons. Both have two SEC regular season titles.

This your boy?

LOL

 

[Johnnyreb#VFL]

Rick Barnes > Josh Heupel in that he is going away from his super senior and realizes loyalty to average players will get you beat