Rick Barnes discussion (merged)

Getting to Final Fours requires a lot of ingredients. Luck is huge. Draws. Matchups. Refs. Player health. Team chemistry. Fan support. Having a competent, skilled coach. Getting a lottery ticket that elevates a team or two into Cinderella each year.

Barnes gives TN those things that can be controlled. Random variables like lucky bounces and unfavorable whistles can’t be controlled.
 
He hasn’t had three teams capable of a Final Four run? So blame everybody else except for the guy who has had more chances than anyone else…sounds reasonable…hahaha…I blame everybody and right now Barnes gets the blame. When we moved along, then the next guy will get his share when he doesn’t get it done. Everybody is accountable. Barnes is one of them..sorry.

Enjoy the hollow January wins man…have a good one…I will be at the Louisville game next week if you want to do a meet and greet!

If everything outside of the flawed end of year NCAAT is hollow, it must be really sad. One bad game and it’s over. At least with NIL the FF spots should be shared by a lot more than UK, KU, UConn, Duke, and UNC going forward. It’s too bad that Barnes didn’t have the level playing field earlier in his career. But if he did, he would have never landed as the UT HC.
 
I find it humorous that anybody worships the NCAAT considering how corrupt and biased the NCAA is as an organization.

The NIT was actually more prestigious and the NCAAT has only been where it is for a couple of decades (the same decades where Doug Dickey all but killed off UTBB). Teams weren’t even seeded when TN had Ernie and Bernie. What happens if the SEC, ACC, B12, and B10 dump the NCAAT and create their own version? Will past NCAATs have zero relevancy?
 
Who is Barnes replacement gonna be? Someone internal? He is 70 and has been coaching 47 years (37 as HC) so maybe 2-5 more years at best? Maybe he is shooting for 50 (40) as his stopping point? I am sure the AD has had talks and has something in place. Does he have a head coach in waiting on staff? Gainey?
 
If everything outside of the flawed end of year NCAAT is hollow, it must be really sad. One bad game and it’s over. At least with NIL the FF spots should be shared by a lot more than UK, KU, UConn, Duke, and UNC going forward. It’s too bad that Barnes didn’t have the level playing field earlier in his career. But if he did, he would have never landed as the UT HC.
It is sad…each and every year…always an excuse on why we are one of the only teams with a pulse that doesn’t have a final four. Have you found me a total yet of those top 25-35 programs…hahaha
 
It is sad…each and every year…always an excuse on why we are one of the only teams with a pulse that doesn’t have a final four. Have you found me a total yet of those top 25-35 programs…hahaha

I haven’t even made a list of the top 35 yet. That might be generous. Probably more like 40-45 before Bruce and Barnes elevated the program to near elite status. TN hasn’t been a regular top 25 program for very long.

Several of the FF teams were flash in the pan types. Also, Arkansas has 6 FFs and hasn’t been there since 1995. Cincy also has 6 and hasn’t been since 1992. UNLV had half of their 4 in 1990 and 1991 and hasn’t been back since. Indiana has 8 FFs and hasn’t been since 2002. Texas has 3 and none since Barnes in 2003 (Shaka Who?).
 
It is sad…each and every year…always an excuse on why we are one of the only teams with a pulse that doesn’t have a final four. Have you found me a total yet of those top 25-35 programs…hahaha
Your commentary is sad. No self awareness. Just the ramblings of an entitled mindset fueled by uninformed knowledge of the game.
 
Your commentary is sad. No self awareness. Just the ramblings of an entitled mindset fueled by uninformed knowledge of the game.
Yep because you don’t agree with me means I know nothing. Comical as usual…take your ball and run home now.

All these so called insiders think nobody knows anything about basketball because they think everybody should be fine with Rick Barnes. Having high standards is hard for some to comprehend. I live in Louisville, not only have I been emersed In basketball my entire life but I know full well how good programs think about and treat their coaches. 3-5 clowns who think they know basketball because they post more about it than others. Discounting what happens in postseason when basketball is a postseason sport shows you guys don’t know much. Have a good one though! Delusional people tend to actually live at peace more, so that’s good for you guys.
 
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I haven’t even made a list of the top 35 yet. That might be generous. Probably more like 40-45 before Bruce and Barnes elevated the program to near elite status. TN hasn’t been a regular top 25 program for very long.

Several of the FF teams were flash in the pan types. Also, Arkansas has 6 FFs and hasn’t been there since 1995. Cincy also has 6 and hasn’t been since 1992. UNLV had half of their 4 in 1990 and 1991 and hasn’t been back since. Indiana has 8 FFs and hasn’t been since 2002. Texas has 3 and none since Barnes in 2003 (Shaka Who?).
Now we aren’t even a top 35 school….what happened to top 35 before Pearl and around top 25 since Barnes has raised us 10 spots. Let me guess…every team but us has a Final Four and most have multiples…so you changed your mind to fit your played out narrative. You guys are such a joke with low standards. See ya boys next Saturday! Feel free to come say hi, would love to talk in person!
 
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Yep because you don’t agree with me means I know nothing. Comical as usual…take your ball and run home now.

All these so called insiders think nobody knows anything about basketball because they think everybody should be fine with Rick Barnes. Having high standards is hard for some to comprehend. I live in Louisville, not only have I been emersed In basketball my entire life but I know full well how good programs think about and treat their coaches. 3-5 clowns who think they know basketball because they post more about it than others. Discounting what happens in postseason when basketball is a postseason sport shows you guys don’t know much. Have a good one though! Delusional people tend to actually live at peace more, so that’s good for you guys.
Reality check here: It's not 3-5 guys. Almost everyone who forgot more about the game than you know about it, think Barnes is a great coach. Nothing delusional about it. No, he hasn't won a national championship. So what? The NCAA tournament is a one and done crapshoot, and the best teams don't always win it. That's just a fact
 
Now we aren’t even a top 35 school….what happened to top 35 before Pearl and around top 25 since Barnes has raised us 10 spots. Let me guess…every team but us has a Final Four and most have multiples…so you changed your mind to fit your played out narrative. You up guys are such a joke with low standards. See ya boys next Saturday! Feel free to come say hi, would love to talk in person!
Would you take a losing record this year if you knew we would make the FF next year?
 
Reality check here: It's not 3-5 guys. Almost everyone who forgot more about the game than you know about it, think Barnes is a great coach. Nothing delusional about it. No, he hasn't won a national championship. So what? The NCAA tournament is a one and done crapshoot, and the best teams don't always win it. That's just a fact
We are talking final fours here and Tennessee basketball only. Rick Barnes can have his final four reunions in Austin and Bruce Pearl can have his down on the plains. That doesn’t help Tennessee basketball a bit. Actually just pisses us off even more tbh.


As for your final four question vs losing year…too many variables to give a true answer. Nobody nationally is going to care or remember if Tennessee had one bad year though and a Final Four year would always be remembered. For a school that’s never been to a Final Four and to be able to guarantee one it might be worth the sacrifice. If you told me I had 50 years left on Earth and Tennessee would have 25 bad years and 25 great years vs 30 solid years, 10 bad ones, and 10 good ones but none made a final four then I may also have to choose the 25-25 route. UConn was doing that until they really kicked it in recently and I would surely take UConns basketball results without hesitation. When you play at the highest level of the sport (Final Four) multiple times and even win some, it allows for room to have bad years and not worry as much. When you never get to the the top of mountain, even with your best teams then it just pisses you off and makes you more miserable when those down cycle years come. Barnes is a good coach, he isn’t the greatest. I do appreciate him getting the program on solid ground. We could be far worse off. Am I going to bend down to him like he should get a statue next to Pat….nope. Is he above being criticized…Nope…he needs better success in the big dance to gain that.
 
We are talking final fours here and Tennessee basketball only. Rick Barnes can have his final four reunions in Austin and Bruce Pearl can have his down on the plains. That doesn’t help Tennessee basketball a bit. Actually just pisses us off even more tbh.


As for your final four question vs losing year…too many variables to give a true answer. Nobody nationally is going to care or remember if Tennessee had one bad year though and a Final Four year would always be remembered. For a school that’s never been to a Final Four and to be able to guarantee one it might be worth the sacrifice. If you told me I had 50 years left on Earth and Tennessee would have 25 bad years and 25 great years vs 30 solid years, 10 bad ones, and 10 good ones but none made a final four then I may also have to choose the 25-25 route. UConn was doing that until they really kicked it in recently and I would surely take UConns basketball results without hesitation. When you play at the highest level of the sport (Final Four) multiple times and even win some, it allows for room to have bad years and not worry as much. When you never get to the the top of mountain, even with your best teams then it just pisses you off and makes you more miserable when those down cycle years come. Barnes is a good coach, he isn’t the greatest. I do appreciate him getting the program on solid ground. We could be far worse off. Am I going to bend down to him like he should get a statue next to Pat….nope. Is he above being criticized…Nope…he needs better success in the big dance to gain that.
Winning 25+ games/year is more than a "solid" year. Especially when it includes a regular season championship.

Miserable????? I don't how to respond to you, but I do know most people who love the game don't approach misery with the top shelf job Barnes has done
 
Winning 25+ games/year is more than a "solid" year. Especially when it includes a regular season championship.

Miserable????? I don't how to respond to you, but I do know most people who love the game don't approach misery with the top shelf job Barnes has done
Nope…games have been added to schedule recently…it’s more about losses than win…losing 8-9, and definitely multiple digit games is not what you think it is.,25 games in the day was something because that meant you had few losses...winning 30 is now the more than solid year and if you combine that with a big postseason run and some conference titles then you have what is considered a great year. Losing 8 plus games a season is just a good year. Two teams had great full seasons last year…UConn and Purdue. Two teams had great postseasons…Nc State and Alabama. We just had a good year. Better than most…sure.

I propose this to you….would you take

Tennessee over the last 20 years…13 trips to NCAA…3 conference titles ( 2 outright)…1 conference tournament title…2 elite 8’s…and 7 Sweet 16’s

or would you take

Louisville…13 trips to Ncaa…4 conference titles (2 outright)….3 conference tournament titles…6 elite 8’s…7 sweet 16’s…and 3 final fours and one National Championship…all while they haven’t made a tournament in 5 years.

Louisville is a top 10 program and we are right there with them except for what…the answer is …Postseason success!!!!

Everybody would take Louisville and Tennessee has been an equal if not better program than them. They get crappy coaches there as well. We belong on this level and it’s easy to see what is missing. When you start having big time runs more times than not combined with the already solid regular season results..then all the criticism will go away. Until then there is going to be a noticeable portion of the fan base that can give praise for the good but also point out the bad. I guess enough to fill 300 pages of message board.

GO VOLS!!!
 
We are talking final fours here and Tennessee basketball only. Rick Barnes can have his final four reunions in Austin and Bruce Pearl can have his down on the plains. That doesn’t help Tennessee basketball a bit. Actually just pisses us off even more tbh.


As for your final four question vs losing year…too many variables to give a true answer. Nobody nationally is going to care or remember if Tennessee had one bad year though and a Final Four year would always be remembered. For a school that’s never been to a Final Four and to be able to guarantee one it might be worth the sacrifice. If you told me I had 50 years left on Earth and Tennessee would have 25 bad years and 25 great years vs 30 solid years, 10 bad ones, and 10 good ones but none made a final four then I may also have to choose the 25-25 route. UConn was doing that until they really kicked it in recently and I would surely take UConns basketball results without hesitation. When you play at the highest level of the sport (Final Four) multiple times and even win some, it allows for room to have bad years and not worry as much. When you never get to the the top of mountain, even with your best teams then it just pisses you off and makes you more miserable when those down cycle years come. Barnes is a good coach, he isn’t the greatest. I do appreciate him getting the program on solid ground. We could be far worse off. Am I going to bend down to him like he should get a statue next to Pat….nope. Is he above being criticized…Nope…he needs better success in the big dance to gain that.

Actually we are talking about whether Rick Barnes is the right coach for UT in the Rick Barnes Discussion thread. But you’re obsessed with the highly flawed single elimination NCAAT. For most in here we like to see Tennessee ranked in the Top 25 for 3 years running (and all but 3 polls in the last 4 years). Very few teams outside of the AP Top 25 end up in the Final Four and barely 1% of eligible programs make it in any single season. Many get there and go away. Wichita State. Georgia. Loyola Chicago. Arkansas 6x but none in the last 25 or 30 years.

Maybe you’ll be less frustrated by starting a thread to discuss the holiest of holy measure of success (the NCAAT) in the Around the NCAA Forum. It won’t surprise me if your coveted tournament doesn’t even exist in a few years with the P-6 and especially the SEC and Big10 exerting their dominance over college sports.

By the way, UL would have a very different history had they not been in those cup cake conferences for decades.
 
Actually we are talking about whether Rick Barnes is the right coach for UT in the Rick Barnes Discussion thread. But you’re obsessed with the highly flawed single elimination NCAAT. For most in here we like to see Tennessee ranked in the Top 25 for 3 years running (and all but 3 polls in the last 4 years). Very few teams outside of the AP Top 25 end up in the Final Four and barely 1% of eligible programs make it in any single season. Many get there and go away. Wichita State. Georgia. Loyola Chicago. Arkansas 6x but none in the last 25 or 30 years.

Maybe you’ll be less frustrated by starting a thread to discuss the holiest of holy measure of success (the NCAAT) in the Around the NCAA Forum. It won’t surprise me if your coveted tournament doesn’t even exist in a few years with the P-6 and especially the SEC and Big10 exerting their dominance over college sports.

By the way, UL would have a very different history had they not been in those cup cake conferences for decades.
Smdh it has nothing to do with individual seasons…again…go figure out the top 25-30 programs and tell me how many don’t have a single final four appearance…nobody makes it every season but the better you are the better chances you make final fours..unfortunately it doesn’t apply to us and we are the team that never gets it done…so I guess you just stop watching basketball when the games really matter and chalk it all up to luck…hahahaha…you are literally the only person who doesnt think the tournament matters…you would get laughed out of any basketball discussion anywhere with that view…it might not be the full story of a season but it’s the most important part of it and coaches jobs and approval ratings depend on it (Calipari most recently)…thats how it is and that is how it’s going to be

also doesn’t matter how you think amother program got there or why…they got there..we don’t…their fans enjoy final fours and titles and ours doesnt get to

so again how many other programs our level don’t have final four? You won’t give straight answers but we all know the answer now don’t we.
 
Whats more pathetic…that we are a top 28 team and have 0 of the 67…or we aren’t one of the others that has done it 23 percent of the time. None of those numbers help your cause.

Your math skills aren’t quite as bad as your Barnes takes.

Of the 75 or so teams with the other one third of the FFs, the vast majority are currently mediocre programs that had a lucky run of winning 1, 2, 3, or 4 straight games. I’d never want to swap to a program like Georgia or the USCs. Or Miss State or Barn. Virginia even had one of the best college players in history and only made one FF in his 4 years. It’s a fluke tournament and the TV networks have a lot of sheep believing that it’s the only thing that matters.

The NCAAT exists to generate cash and ratings. Cinderellas and blue bloods get special treatment. It’s a ****ty way to declare a true champion of basketball. It’s simply an event that hasn’t been tracking closely to success there with the actual success of program building.
 
Your math skills aren’t quite as bad as your Barnes takes.

Of the 75 or so teams with the other one third of the FFs, the vast majority are currently mediocre programs that had a lucky run of winning 1, 2, 3, or 4 straight games. I’d never want to swap to a program like Georgia or the USCs. Or Miss State or Barn. Virginia even had one of the best college players in history and only made one FF in his 4 years. It’s a fluke tournament and the TV networks have a lot of sheep believing that it’s the only thing that matters.

The NCAAT exists to generate cash and ratings. Cinderellas and blue bloods get special treatment. It’s a ****ty way to declare a true champion of basketball. It’s simply an event that hasn’t been tracking closely to success there with the actual success of program building.
I blame my UT degree on the typo….lol
 
Your math skills aren’t quite as bad as your Barnes takes.

Of the 75 or so teams with the other one third of the FFs, the vast majority are currently mediocre programs that had a lucky run of winning 1, 2, 3, or 4 straight games. I’d never want to swap to a program like Georgia or the USCs. Or Miss State or Barn. Virginia even had one of the best college players in history and only made one FF in his 4 years. It’s a fluke tournament and the TV networks have a lot of sheep believing that it’s the only thing that matters.

The NCAAT exists to generate cash and ratings. Cinderellas and blue bloods get special treatment. It’s a ****ty way to declare a true champion of basketball. It’s simply an event that hasn’t been tracking closely to success there with the actual success of program building.
The same Virginia that won it all just a few years back…ok man…lol..again address the top 25-30 programs…now you are down to talking 75 teams…lol…of course we don’t want UGA or USC programs…they aren’t as good as us historically…of teams as good as us how many dont have final fours….quit beating around the bush…we all know the answer and that answer and your lack of answering it discredits anything you say…this isn’t a political debate dude…you aren’t going to use words and not answer….its a simple answer…I know the answer, you know the answer..all of Volnation knows the answer….
 

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