Rick Barnes discussion (merged)

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volplaya8 said:
Smdh it has nothing to do with individual seasons…again…go figure out the top 25-30 programs and tell me how many don’t have a single final four appearance…nobody makes it every season but the better you are the better chances you make final fours..unfortunately it doesn’t apply to us and we are the team that never gets it done…so I guess you just stop watching basketball when the games really matter and chalk it all up to luck…hahahaha…you are literally the only person who doesnt think the tournament matters…you would get laughed out of any basketball discussion anywhere with that view…it might not be the full story of a season but it’s the most important part of it and coaches jobs and approval ratings depend on it (Calipari most recently)…thats how it is and that is how it’s going to be

also doesn’t matter how you think amother program got there or why…they got there..we don’t…their fans enjoy final fours and titles and ours doesnt get to

so again how many other programs our level don’t have final four? You won’t give straight answers but we all know the answer now don’t we.
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We’ve only recently moved into the borderline all time top 25. And we could quickly fall out of it. Final Fours come with sustained high level basketball or flukey runs. You’re totally hung up on a statistical anonomoly. How many teams have moved up into the all time top 25 recently other than TN?

Being at the top of one of the best conference or two isn’t something to discount. Barnes took us there.

The NCAAT is a separate, made for TV event. It is a really poor measure of judging what is a high level program. It’s also high level entertainment for degenerate gambling.

I never said the NCAAT doesn’t matter. And you don’t understand what literally means.

And I can already hear the whiney takes if TN takes one more step to a Final 4. “But they’ve never even been in an NCAAT final”.

All of this anti-Barnes crap is being spewed immediately after taking one more step forward for the program by now having multiple Elite 8s. SMDH. Are Regional Finals no longer significant because TN hasn’t overcome one more step to the FF?
 
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volplaya8 said:
The same Virginia that won it all just a few years back…ok man…lol..again address the top 25-30 programs…now you are down to talking 75 teams…lol…of course we don’t want UGA or USC programs…they aren’t as good as us historically…of teams as good as us how many dont have final fours….quit beating around the bush…we all know the answer and that answer and your lack of answering it discredits anything you say…this isn’t a political debate dude…you aren’t going to use words and not answer….its a simple answer…I know the answer, you know the answer..all of Volnation knows the answer….
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Do you blame your reading skills on UT as well. I pointed out that UVa had one of the greatest players in the history of college basketball and HE only had 1 FF in 4 years.

The NCAAT is a fluke. A cash grab that needs the blue bloods and sacrificial Cinderellas to get better ratings. It’s not representative of true high level program building in college BB.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
And 4 of them only have 1. Barnes has one of those 4.
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Then Extrapolate it back another 20 and another and another and we still have zero

only 4…lol..that’s only 20 percent my man…that means 15 have multiple and 1 school doesnt fit in either criteria..that’s so damn sickening…makes me want to vomit…anytime and I mean anytime you have a basketball discussion with other fan bases, they want to know how many final fours have you been to…when you say ZERO they then laugh and you know you don’t belong…you can wax poetically about anything you want and throw any numbers out to fit the narrative you are wanting to try to prove but NOBODY is going to take you serious or give a crap about anything you say after you say ZERO
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Do you blame your reading skills on UT as well. I pointed out that when UVa had one of the greatest players in the history of college basketball and HE only had 1 FF in 4 years.

The NCAAT is a fluke. A cash grab that needs the blue bloods and sacrificial Cinderellas to get better ratings. It’s not representative of true high level program building in college BB.
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When we had one of the greatest players we went to Zero…even with the help of Grunfeld right beside him…go figure…you have no argument…it’s dead on arrival man…


not relative…..except every high level program has final fours except us….such a joke man…please step into the reality of it all man…Smdh…pure craziness
 
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volplaya8 said:
Then Extrapolate it back another 20 and another and another and we still have zero

only 4…lol..that’s only 20 percent my man…that means 15 have multiple and 1 school doesnt fit in either criteria..that’s so damn sickening…makes me want to vomit…anytime and I mean anytime you have a basketball discussion with other fan bases, they want to know how many final fours have you been to…when you say ZERO they then laugh and you know you don’t belong…you can wax poetically about anything you want and throw any numbers out to fit the narrative you are wanting to try to prove but NOBODY is going to take you serious or give a crap about anything you say after you say ZERO
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Ask them what crappy conference they are in. The SEC teams have 1 or 2 losable games EVERY WEEK. Teams like Gonzaga or Wichita State are only challenged in a couple of games each year and waltz into the NCAAT. At least Gonzaga has upped their pre-conference schedule, but that came after Few elevated the program out of nothing.

I’d rather TN not pull out of the SEC, move to a weak conference to dominate, and play out the entire season only to attempt to be set up to maybe win 4 straight in the NCAAT.
 
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volplaya8 said:
When we had one of the greatest players we went to Zero…even with the help of Grunfeld right beside him…go figure…you have no argument…it’s dead on arrival man…


not relative…..except every high level program has final fours except us….such a joke man…please step into the reality of it all man…Smdh…pure craziness
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You don’t know that the NCAAT wasn’t seeded in the late 1970s or that King was injured?
 
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volplaya8 said:
When we had one of the greatest players we went to Zero…even with the help of Grunfeld right beside him…go figure…you have no argument…it’s dead on arrival man…


not relative…..except every high level program has final fours except us….such a joke man…please step into the reality of it all man…Smdh…pure craziness
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And again, this is the Barnes discussion thread. Not how great the NCAAT might or might not be.
 
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volplaya8 said:
Nope…games have been added to schedule recently…it’s more about losses than win…losing 8-9, and definitely multiple digit games is not what you think it is.,25 games in the day was something because that meant you had few losses...winning 30 is now the more than solid year and if you combine that with a big postseason run and some conference titles then you have what is considered a great year. Losing 8 plus games a season is just a good year. Two teams had great full seasons last year…UConn and Purdue. Two teams had great postseasons…Nc State and Alabama. We just had a good year. Better than most…sure.

I propose this to you….would you take

Tennessee over the last 20 years…13 trips to NCAA…3 conference titles ( 2 outright)…1 conference tournament title…2 elite 8’s…and 7 Sweet 16’s

or would you take

Louisville…13 trips to Ncaa…4 conference titles (2 outright)….3 conference tournament titles…6 elite 8’s…7 sweet 16’s…and 3 final fours and one National Championship…all while they haven’t made a tournament in 5 years.

Louisville is a top 10 program and we are right there with them except for what…the answer is …Postseason success!!!!

Everybody would take Louisville and Tennessee has been an equal if not better program than them. They get crappy coaches there as well. We belong on this level and it’s easy to see what is missing. When you start having big time runs more times than not combined with the already solid regular season results..then all the criticism will go away. Until then there is going to be a noticeable portion of the fan base that can give praise for the good but also point out the bad. I guess enough to fill 300 pages of message board.

GO VOLS!!!
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No, everybody wouldn't take Louisville.
 
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Barnes is a great coach and perfect fit for the University of Tennessee.
Some of you seem to forget all the coaches that preceded him here at Tennessee.
Pearl was good as well, but he could not follow the rules.
So complain about Barnes all you want, whine about it, and throw a fit.
I guess some of you would love to have Martin or Donnie back.
Some of you don't appreciate what you got, so you have a choice and you can live with it.
If anybody can find the right mix and chemistry for this team it will be Barnes.
I cannot believe that this is about an exhibition game, but I guess it is for the most part it is.
Spoiled and entitled.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Barnes is a great coach and perfect fit for the University of Tennessee.
Some of you seem to forget all the coaches that preceded him here at Tennessee.
Pearl was good as well, but he could not follow the rules.
So complain about Barnes all you want, whine about it, and throw a fit.
I guess some of you would love to have Martin or Donnie back.
Some of you don't appreciate what you got, so you have a choice and you can live with it.
If anybody can find the right mix and chemistry for this team it will be Barnes.
I cannot believe that this is about an exhibition game, but I guess it is for the most part it is.
Spoiled and entitled.
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I would replace "spoiled" with ignorant
 
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Volfan1000 said:
Ray Mears probably would have made a FF if he had not resigned because of mental health issues and the loss of King did not help him in one of his previous NCAA Tournament appearances.
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Yes. He brought the UT program to an equal level with UK. And Rupp was forced into retirement in 1972 (KY state law since he was over 70). UT and UK could have been just like Duke and UNC. Actually the SEC would have been amazing with 4 possible blue bloods. Bama and LSU, too. Although LSU didn’t have a comparable history.

Mears was only 50 when he was pushed into retirement.

Had Mears continued for another 10 years, Tom Deaton might have eventually been his replacement.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Yes. He brought the UT program to an equal level with UK. And Rupp was forced into retirement in 1972 (KY state law since he was over 70). UT and UK could have been just like Duke and UNC. Actually the SEC would have been amazing with 4 possible blue bloods. Bama and LSU, too. Although LSU didn’t have a comparable history.

Mears was only 50 when he was pushed into retirement.

Had Mears continued for another 10 years, Tom Deaton might have eventually been his replacement.
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He later became AD at UT-Martin
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Yes. He brought the UT program to an equal level with UK. And Rupp was forced into retirement in 1972 (KY state law since he was over 70). UT and UK could have been just like Duke and UNC. Actually the SEC would have been amazing with 4 possible blue bloods. Bama and LSU, too. Although LSU didn’t have a comparable history.

Mears was only 50 when he was pushed into retirement.

Had Mears continued for another 10 years, Tom Deaton might have eventually been his replacement.
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Damn, that was young for retirement.
 
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