RIP Twitter

[BreatheUT]

You have to be able to demonstrate that compensation had to do with suppressing information. You can't just say, "some people in the FBI flagged TOS violations and some other FBI agents requested and paid for information (with court orders) from another department, ipso facto, they paid for suppression." That will not hold up in court. It shouldn't hold up in journalism. It shouldn't be the conclusion we draw on Volnation. It's OK to be suspicious and fear coercion, bribery, and other conflicts of interest, but the evidence does not indicate that coercion and bribery were problems. Just that they might have been problems.

I highly doubt any of you read the Tech Dirt article I linked to, so I'll grab some excerpts. @DC_Vol check out the last paragraph. It states Twitter received over 2k data information requests in just half a year, so that gives you an idea of the scale of the work. Not sure if that adds up to $1.7M.

I’m no fan of the FBI, and have spent much of the two and a half decades here at Techdirt criticizing it. What the files show is that the FBI would occasionally (not very often, frankly) using reporting tools to alert Twitter to accounts that potentially violated Twitter’s rules. When the FBI did so, it was pretty clear that it was just flagging these accounts for Twitter to review, and had no expectation that the company would or would not do anything about it. In fact, they are explicit in their email that the accounts “may potentially constitute violations of Twitter’s Terms of Service” and that Twitter can take “any action or inaction deemed appropriate within Twitter policy.”

That is not a demand. There is no coercion associated with the email, and it certainly appears that Twitter frequently rejected these flags from the US government. Twitter’s most recent transparency report lists all of the “legal demands” the company received for content removals in the US, and its compliance rate is 40.6%. In other words, it complied with well under half of any "demands" for data removal from the government.

Indeed, even as presented (repeatedly) by Taibbi and Shellenberger as if it’s proof that Twitter closely cooperated with the FBI, over and over again if you read the actual screenshots, it shows Twitter (rightly!) pushing back on the FBI....Shellenberger, shows Twitter’s Yoel Roth rejecting a request from the FBI to share information, saying they need to take the proper legal steps to request that info.

Right now, anyone can do this. You or I can go on Twitter and if we see something that we think violates a content policy, we can flag it for Twitter to review. Twitter than will review the content and determine whether or not it’s violative, and then decide what the remedy should be if it is. That opens up an interesting question in general: should government officials and entities also be allowed to do the same type of flagging? Considering that anyone else can do it, and the company still reviews against its own terms of service and (importantly) feels free to reject those requests when they do not appear to violate the terms, I’m hard pressed to see the problem here on its own.

If there were evidence that there was some pressure, coercion, or compulsion for the company to comply with the government requests, that would be a different story. But, to date, there remains none (at least in the US).

The law already says that if the FBI is legally requesting information for an investigation under a number of different legal authorities, the companies receiving those requests can be reimbursed for fulfilling them.

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But note what this is limited to. These are investigatory requests for information, or so called 2703(d) requests, which require a court order. Now, there are reasons to be concerned about the 2703(d) program. I mean, going back to 2013, when it was revealed that the 2703(d) program was abused as part of an interpretation of the Patriot Act to allow the DOJ/NSA to collect data secretly from companies, we’ve highlighted the many problems with the program.

So, by the way, did old Twitter. More than a decade ago, Twitter went to court to challenge the claim that a Twitter user had no standing to challenge a 2703(d) order. Unfortunately, Twitter lost and the feds are still allowed to use these orders (which, again, require a judge to sign off on them).

I do think it remains a scandal the way that 2703(d) orders work, and the inability of users to push back on them. But that is the law. And it has literally nothing whatsoever to do with “censorship” requests. It is entirely about investigations by the FBI into Twitter users based on evidence of a crime.

The reimbursement that is talked about in that email is about complying with these information production orders that have been reviewed and signed by a judge.

It’s got nothing at all to do with “censorship demands.” And yet Musk and friends are going hog wild pushing this utter nonsense.

Meanwhile, Twitter’s own transparency report again already reveals data on these orders as part of its “data information requests” list, where it shows that in the latest period reported (second half of 2021) it received 2.3k requests specifying 11.3k accounts, and complied with 69% of the requests.

Smh...this is one sad attempt to exonerate the FBI.

 

[BreatheUT]

Ford dropped as well and if you were even still trying you'd see that tesla isn't dropping because of twitter

She's not still trying. Remember the kid in grade school so far behind on understanding the work that they stopped trying and just went to stale jokes to disrupt class.

 

[BreatheUT]

telsa's biggest problem is supply chain. People are tired of waiting a year to get their vehicle. The other automakers making gains in the market is also hurting them.

We learn in business that the 1st to market companies are cutting edge and take risks like Tesla. They were able to land much of the market share. Now other companies are copying Tesla's concepts and they take some of that market share because there are more options plus the supply chain issues. Tesla more than any auto maker replies on semiconductor chip technology because of a full portfolio of EVs vs ICE.

Elon should be ok. Not every auto has a rocket.

 

[RockyTop85]

FBI in general has a history of employing those who commit crimes.... And after the Whitney kidnapping scandal. That history doesn't matter.. Just because people weren't charged it doesn't mean a crime want committed

I understand the agency’s history, but “other people did other bad things” and “I don’t know that these people haven’t done bad things” still aren’t substitutes for evidence that these people did this thing.

Is there any of the latter?

I have a hard time believing that there would be a need for all this innuendo about other bad people and other bad things if there were.

 

[0nelilreb]

I understand the agency’s history, but “other people did other bad things” and “I don’t know that these people haven’t done bad things” still aren’t substitutes for evidence that these people did this thing.

Is there any of the latter?

I have a hard time believing that there would be a need for all this innuendo about other bad people and other bad things if there were.

Do you trust any of the 3 letter agencies to not lie to the citizens of the US ? Do you believe any of the agencies would intentionally deceive then try to cover up their deception to the American people to save face ? Does any of these agencies have a history of correcting their past , let’s say “ indiscretions “ ? Does congress control , have any say , or even get a straight answer from these agencies without being put off , diverted , or denied ? Last question .. who exactly is watching the gate keepers when they have more power than the watchers ?

 

[NorthDallas40]

I figured they had a good explanation like this that was getting left out of the narrative, but still too much conflict of interest for my liking.

No, The FBI Is NOT ‘Paying Twitter To Censor’

LMAO.

“No we are not paying them we are merely reimbursing them for costs incurred due to a judge telling them to do what we asked the judge to do for us”

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

 

[hog88]

tesla stocks are dropping because they are crap cars. Tesla behind eight-vehicle crash was in ‘full self-driving’ mode, says driver

Yes, every EV is a piece of crap.

 

[NorthDallas40]

tesla stocks are dropping because they are crap cars. Tesla behind eight-vehicle crash was in ‘full self-driving’ mode, says driver

So we’re at the point to call a car which literally has no need for a human to assist in its operation “crap”. Then every car ever created prior to this breakthrough is even bigger crap I guess. I have no desire to ever own a Tesla but I can absolutely appreciate their technology. SMH.

 

[Orangeslice13]

So we’re at the point to call a car which literally has no need for a human to assist in its operation “crap”. Then every car ever created prior to this breakthrough is even bigger crap I guess. I have no desire to ever own a Tesla but I can absolutely appreciate their technology. SMH.

It’s possible the driver who crashed the cars could be lying about what mode the car was in

 

[Orangeburst]

Maybe one day they will make the Tesla non human driver mode more lifelike

 

[Orangeburst]

Facebook, Twitter stocked with ex-FBI, CIA officials

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

Interesting, as this is the same thing Musk is doing. Meta Agrees to Pay $725 Million Over Cambridge Analytica Scandal

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Facebook, Twitter stocked with ex-FBI, CIA officials

They gotta find & root out those domestic terrorists school moms & dads that are concerned with what's being taught to their 2nd grade through 12th grade students. We can't complain about the drag queen parties that go on at the school libraries these days along with the Satan Club after school activities. Democrats are the spawn of Satan. Democrat is a religious cult.

 

[RockyTop85]

Do you trust any of the 3 letter agencies to not lie to the citizens of the US ? Do you believe any of the agencies would intentionally deceive then try to cover up their deception to the American people to save face ? Does any of these agencies have a history of correcting their past , let’s say “ indiscretions “ ? Does congress control , have any say , or even get a straight answer from these agencies without being put off , diverted , or denied ? Last question .. who exactly is watching the gate keepers when they have more power than the watchers ?

You wrote all of this just to avoid admitting that there’s not any actual evidence that these people did this thing or have you become so much of a raving lunatic that you think any of this is a substitute for actual evidence?

 

[0nelilreb]

You wrote all of this just to avoid admitting that there’s not any actual evidence that these people did this thing or have you become so much of a raving lunatic that you think any of this is a substitute for actual evidence?

So that’s a no ? Thank you for playing

 

[evillawyer]

So happy Elon brought free speech back to Twitter!

 

[RockyTop85]

So that’s a no ? Thank you for playing

Congratulations on this truly pathetic effort landing you at the point of assuming something I conceded multiple times, several posts ago.

Being ethically compromised to the point of being capable of a thing isn’t a substitute for evidence that they actually did the thing.

I understand the agency’s history,

Real big brain stuff, here.

 

[VolStrom]

Maybe one day they will make the Tesla non human driver mode more lifelike

This is racist imo.

 

[0nelilreb]

Congratulations on this truly pathetic effort landing you at the point of assuming something I conceded multiple times, several posts ago.




Real big brain stuff, here.

We both know you never had any intentions of answering any of those . I never expected you to . There’s no way fir you to answer them honestly and not lose your but but but the ones there now aren’t under arrest .

 

[RockyTop85]

We both know you never had any intentions of answering any of those . I never expected you to . There’s no way fir you to answer them honestly and not lose your but but but the ones there now aren’t under arrest .

So you’re saying that my point (generalized smearing of the FBI doesn’t prove a specific scandal actually took place) is disproven if I admit to generalized smearing of the FBI?

And you’re maintaining this argument in spite of me showing you that I openly admitted that the FBI has a bad history and bad actors within it even before you asked me to do so?

That’s what you’re going with?

 

[0nelilreb]

So you’re saying that my point (generalized smearing of the FBI doesn’t prove a specific scandal actually took place) is disproven if I admit to generalized smearing of the FBI?

And you’re maintaining this argument in spite of me showing you that I openly admitted that the FBI has a bad history and bad actors within it even before you asked me to do so?

That’s what you’re going with?

Do you trust them ? Motto : Fidelity, Bravery and Integrity.

 

[RockyTop85]

Do you trust them ? Motto : Fidelity, Bravery and Integrity.

Not really.

I don’t trust you, either, doesn’t mean I think you need to prove that you don’t **** goats.

 

[0nelilreb]

Not really.

I don’t trust you, either, doesn’t mean I think you need to prove that you don’t **** goats.

If I had the money and power to put you in a cell with other goat ******* and make you “ bahhh” I wouldn’t trust me either . Regardless of if I was under investigation or not and especially if I had a history of doing that . Do you think they would break the constitution and try to cover it up ?

 

[Orangeburst]

The FBI and intelligence community (IC) continued to push Twitter for more assistance in surveilling users of the social media platform, surprisingly to the point of Twitter executives pushing back. From an internal company email to Yoel Roth from the Director of Policy and Philanthropy, United States and Canada: “We have seen a sustained (if uncoordinated) effort by the IC to push us to share more information and change our API policies. They are probing and pushing everywhere they can…” The IC wanted open access to the entire Twitter data feed, which Twitter was reluctant to share.

Twitter Files Show Americans Are Living in Soviet-Style Society

 

[RockyTop85]

If I had the money and power to put you in a cell with other goat ******* and make you “ bahhh” I wouldn’t trust me either . Regardless of if I was under investigation or not and especially if I had a history of doing that . Do you think they would break the constitution and try to cover it up ?

Lol wut?

So if you’re unreliable and have the power to do whatever somebody makes up, you have to prove that you didn’t actually do it? Even if there’s no evidence you actually did it?

Guess you better start collecting those goat DNA swabs, then.

(This is the second dumbest thing I’ve read on here.)