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Republicans Poised To Approve Massive FBI Funding Boost In Wake Of Twitter Files Revelations

Republicans are set to approve a massive spending bill which includes billions of dollars in funding for the FBI despite recently leaked information which found the federal agency colluded with Twitter to censor users.

The bill designated $11.33 billion for the FBI “to investigate extremist violence and domestic terrorism,” according to a summary of the bill by the House Appropriations Committee. The total is reportedly $569.6 million more than the enacted levels for the 2022 fiscal year and $524 million more than the president requested. (RELATED: Incoming House Oversight Chair Calls To Defund FBI Over Twitter Censorship: ‘Violation Of The Constitution)

Republicans Poised To Approve Massive FBI Funding Boost In Wake Of Twitter Files Revelations
 
So no? There is no way to draw a direct line without having someone make an impossibly stupid accounting blunder or admission? Does a preponderance of evidence not count for anything?

How am I supposed to know if conclusive evidence exists?

I do not think we have a preponderance of evidence. The FBI paying for 2703(d) requests seems like SOP. They would be doing this under any circumstances, not just in a world where they are trying to control the online narrative, so what is it evidence of? Does it even count as circumstantial evidence? I don't think so.

Now, that's just based on what we've established we know in this thread. @DC_Vol is asking a good question. If someone here can explain that $3.4m is a suspiciously expensive fee for thousands of court-ordered requests, then we may have something there.
 
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Republicans Poised To Approve Massive FBI Funding Boost In Wake Of Twitter Files Revelations

Republicans are set to approve a massive spending bill which includes billions of dollars in funding for the FBI despite recently leaked information which found the federal agency colluded with Twitter to censor users.

The bill designated $11.33 billion for the FBI “to investigate extremist violence and domestic terrorism,” according to a summary of the bill by the House Appropriations Committee. The total is reportedly $569.6 million more than the enacted levels for the 2022 fiscal year and $524 million more than the president requested. (RELATED: Incoming House Oversight Chair Calls To Defund FBI Over Twitter Censorship: ‘Violation Of The Constitution)

Republicans Poised To Approve Massive FBI Funding Boost In Wake Of Twitter Files Revelations

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It’s crazy that the fbi paid Twitter millions of dollars to simply make “suggestions” on accounts they felt may violate their TOS. Wonder what kind of twist huff can put on it?
 
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You have to be able to demonstrate that compensation had to do with suppressing information. You can't just say, "some people in the FBI flagged TOS violations and some other FBI agents requested and paid for information (with court orders) from another department, ipso facto, they paid for suppression." That will not hold up in court. It shouldn't hold up in journalism. It shouldn't be the conclusion we draw on Volnation. It's OK to be suspicious and fear coercion, bribery, and other conflicts of interest, but the evidence does not indicate that coercion and bribery were problems. Just that they might have been problems.

I highly doubt any of you read the Tech Dirt article I linked to, so I'll grab some excerpts. @DC_Vol check out the last paragraph. It states Twitter received over 2k data information requests in just half a year, so that gives you an idea of the scale of the work. Not sure if that adds up to $1.7M.

I’m no fan of the FBI, and have spent much of the two and a half decades here at Techdirt criticizing it. What the files show is that the FBI would occasionally (not very often, frankly) using reporting tools to alert Twitter to accounts that potentially violated Twitter’s rules. When the FBI did so, it was pretty clear that it was just flagging these accounts for Twitter to review, and had no expectation that the company would or would not do anything about it. In fact, they are explicit in their email that the accounts “may potentially constitute violations of Twitter’s Terms of Service” and that Twitter can take “any action or inaction deemed appropriate within Twitter policy.”

That is not a demand. There is no coercion associated with the email, and it certainly appears that Twitter frequently rejected these flags from the US government. Twitter’s most recent transparency report lists all of the “legal demands” the company received for content removals in the US, and its compliance rate is 40.6%. In other words, it complied with well under half of any "demands" for data removal from the government.

Indeed, even as presented (repeatedly) by Taibbi and Shellenberger as if it’s proof that Twitter closely cooperated with the FBI, over and over again if you read the actual screenshots, it shows Twitter (rightly!) pushing back on the FBI....Shellenberger, shows Twitter’s Yoel Roth rejecting a request from the FBI to share information, saying they need to take the proper legal steps to request that info.

Right now, anyone can do this. You or I can go on Twitter and if we see something that we think violates a content policy, we can flag it for Twitter to review. Twitter than will review the content and determine whether or not it’s violative, and then decide what the remedy should be if it is. That opens up an interesting question in general: should government officials and entities also be allowed to do the same type of flagging? Considering that anyone else can do it, and the company still reviews against its own terms of service and (importantly) feels free to reject those requests when they do not appear to violate the terms, I’m hard pressed to see the problem here on its own.

If there were evidence that there was some pressure, coercion, or compulsion for the company to comply with the government requests, that would be a different story. But, to date, there remains none (at least in the US).

The law already says that if the FBI is legally requesting information for an investigation under a number of different legal authorities, the companies receiving those requests can be reimbursed for fulfilling them.

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But note what this is limited to. These are investigatory requests for information, or so called 2703(d) requests, which require a court order. Now, there are reasons to be concerned about the 2703(d) program. I mean, going back to 2013, when it was revealed that the 2703(d) program was abused as part of an interpretation of the Patriot Act to allow the DOJ/NSA to collect data secretly from companies, we’ve highlighted the many problems with the program.

So, by the way, did old Twitter. More than a decade ago, Twitter went to court to challenge the claim that a Twitter user had no standing to challenge a 2703(d) order. Unfortunately, Twitter lost and the feds are still allowed to use these orders (which, again, require a judge to sign off on them).

I do think it remains a scandal the way that 2703(d) orders work, and the inability of users to push back on them. But that is the law. And it has literally nothing whatsoever to do with “censorship” requests. It is entirely about investigations by the FBI into Twitter users based on evidence of a crime.

The reimbursement that is talked about in that email is about complying with these information production orders that have been reviewed and signed by a judge.

It’s got nothing at all to do with “censorship demands.” And yet Musk and friends are going hog wild pushing this utter nonsense.

Meanwhile, Twitter’s own transparency report again already reveals data on these orders as part of its “data information requests” list, where it shows that in the latest period reported (second half of 2021) it received 2.3k requests specifying 11.3k accounts, and complied with 69% of the requests.

So the FBI paid $3.5M to give Twitter a friendly heads up that some Twitter content might be violating Twitter’s TOS. Hey, here’s some information, and here’s a lot of fees. Do with it what you will.

I’m not buying any innocent explanation from the FBI. These same actors repeatedly implied that the Hunter Biden laptop story was Russian propaganda when they knew it was 100% legit.

This isn’t even a tough call for me. 100% inappropriate. 100% a misuse of taxpayer funds. And 100% a violation of free speech.

If you still have doubts, the FBI has called those who have concerns “conspiracy theorists”. I’ve seen this movie before.
 
So the FBI paid $3.5M to give Twitter a friendly heads up that some Twitter content might be violating Twitter’s TOS. Hey, here’s some information, and here’s a lot of fees. Do with it what you will.

I’m not buying any innocent explanation from the FBI. These same actors repeatedly implied that the Hunter Biden laptop story was Russian propaganda when they knew it was 100% legit.

This isn’t even a tough call for me. 100% inappropriate. 100% a misuse of taxpayer funds. And 100% a violation of free speech.

If you still have doubts, the FBI has called those who have concerns “conspiracy theorists”. I’ve seen this movie before.

No. The $ was for court-ordered 2703(d) requests relating to crimes. The FBI was paying Twitter for info, not paying Twitter to receive info. The reason this is SOP is that the government cannot reasonably expect private companies to devote their resources to helping them solve crimes without compensation.

2703(d) order

If you're not buying any innocent explanation, then you've already decided what you want to believe.
 
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Spooks infiltrate Silicon Valley: Facebook is riddled with ex-CIA agents – including President’s briefer who now runs 'harmful content' team – so many ex-FBI work at Twitter they have Slack Channel and Google is rife with ex-CIA

Former US government intelligence agents are now working across Silicon Valley in senior roles dedicated to censoring 'misinformation', DailyMail.com can disclose.

A large number of ex-officers from the FBI, CIA, NSC and State Department have taken positions at Facebook, Twitter and Google.

Facebook is riddled with ex-CIA agents while many ex-FBI agents work at Twitter | Daily Mail Online
 
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the market is playing a role, but there are much larger issues.
Other automakers aren't down nearly as much. Seems like the most obvious explanation is that Elon has scared away investors with his Twitter shenanigans. He's also been selling large stakes in Tesla, which is probably freaking some investors out.
 
Other automakers aren't down nearly as much. Seems like the most obvious explanation is that Elon has scared away investors with his Twitter shenanigans. He's also been selling large stakes in Tesla, which is probably freaking some investors out.
Ford dropped as well and if you were even still trying you'd see that tesla isn't dropping because of twitter
 
Other automakers aren't down nearly as much. Seems like the most obvious explanation is that Elon has scared away investors with his Twitter shenanigans. He's also been selling large stakes in Tesla, which is probably freaking some investors out.
telsa's biggest problem is supply chain. People are tired of waiting a year to get their vehicle. The other automakers making gains in the market is also hurting them.
 
Wow. Tesla now down over 8% today alone. That's way worse than the market as a whole.

I know you're getting your rocks off with this, but normal people of all wealth levels who invested in a car company with alternative fuel tech are also losing rn. You can make the point that Musk has been bad for biz lately without doing a TD dance over every dip.
 

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