Rivals Top 150

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#26
johnnybravo said:
Stokes entering mid year significantly limited his choices of schools to sign with. Schools recruiting him at the time were:

UCONN
Duke
KENTUCKY
Memphis

It would be very hard pressed for me to believe that if Stokes finished his Senior year in HS and watched KY win a NC and send the whole team to the NBA that he still comes to first year coach CCM. Believe what you want to but IMO he probably doesn't come to UT. Oh and his best friend was kicked off the football team last year might have an impact also. Believe what you want to, but my personal opionion is that CCM got extremely lucky getting Stokes. Not that it's not good to be lucky every once in awhile.
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Believe what you want...but Stokes didn't have offers from Duke or Kentucky. Cal does not recruit very much in the city of Memphis. I can see if you want to say we had an advantage over Memphis because of the scholarship, but UT had other advantages with Jarnell. For people to totally dismiss that is just dumb. But, that is what people do around here.
 
#27
#27
bleedingTNorange said:
So CCM has 2 five stars to Foxs 1....and how many top 150 has each signed? There's a big differenc between a "Landry 3*" and a "josh Richardson 3*" IMO.

Vandy? What have they done in recruiting the last 3 years that's so special?
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Both GA and TN has signed 2 3* recruits in the past 3 years. TN's Thompson and Richardson both barely squeeked in at 149.
 
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#28
johnnybravo said:
Stokes entering mid year significantly limited his choices of schools to sign with. Schools recruiting him at the time were:

UCONN
Duke
KENTUCKY
Memphis

It would be very hard pressed for me to believe that if Stokes finished his Senior year in HS and watched KY win a NC and send the whole team to the NBA that he still comes to first year coach CCM. Believe what you want to but IMO he probably doesn't come to UT. Oh and his best friend was kicked off the football team last year might have an impact also. Believe what you want to, but my personal opionion is that CCM got extremely lucky getting Stokes. Not that it's not good to be lucky every once in awhile.
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So Stokes would have signed with another school in April 2012 because Cam Clear was going to get arrested in May 2012? Interesting.

Usually the CCM bashers go the other way with the argument. They typically say "he was coming here regardless. His brother was here and he was always a UT lean. His best friend was here too."

CCM got him. Was he fortunate? Maybe. But he still got him.
 
#30
#30
BigZiti09 said:
So Stokes would have signed with another school in April 2012 because Cam Clear was going to get arrested in May 2012? Interesting.

Usually the CCM bashers go the other way with the argument. They typically say "he was coming here regardless. His brother was here and he was always a UT lean. His best friend was here too."

CCM got him. Was he fortunate? Maybe. But he still got him.
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Fortunate, lucky, what ever word you want to use go ahead. I'm not bashing CCM on the Stokes recruit. I'm just stating that my opinion is that the chances of Stokes coming to UT mid term when he did was far greater than if he decided to choose what school he wanted to play for in the fall.
 
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#31
zansdad said:
While I agree with you to a point, I think you are failing to recognize the "falling into his lap part". It's not about where Stokes could have went. It's when he wanted to go that made it falling into Martins' lap. Had the TSSAA not ruled Stokes ineligible to play high school ball, Martin is recruiting Stokes the following season against...well, everyone. And UT season was in a slow spiral till Stokes arrived, so Martin probably would have been recruiting from a just barely .500 record.

But Stokes did fall in Martin's lap, or maybe a better way (and much longer way) to say it is, the combination of the TSSAA declaring Stokes ineligible to play his senior year, plus Stoke deciding to go on to college, plus UT being the in-state school and having a spare scholarship made things very favorable for Martin to land Stokes.

Now did Martin have to do the work? Yes. But the guy who hits the Powerball for $300 Million had to go buy the ticket and had to earn the money to pay for the ticket. Didn't mean he didn't get lucky too.
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Did the mid year enrollee benefit Tennessee, absolutely. My point has been though that's it's not as if Tennessee was the only team that had a spot. Martin still had to fight off Billy Donovan and Mike Anderson, two coaches with a much better resume than Martin.

So yea, the mid year enrollee eliminated some of the competition, but not all. Saying he backed into stokes makes it sound like he had no other choice, he still had to fight against Donovan and Anderson.
 
#34
#34
But for the TSSAA ruling Jarnell ineligible and Jarnell declaring mid-year, he wouldn't have been at UT. No big deal for Martin and UT, Martin was late to the party.
 
#35
#35
johnnybravo said:
Both GA and TN has signed 2 3* recruits in the past 3 years. TN's Thompson and Richardson both barely squeeked in at 149.
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OK here's my post. I don't see how much clearer it can be. I did have Richardson's rating incorrect. That's what going off memory does for you.
 
#37
#37
johnnybravo said:
OK here's my post. I don't see how much clearer it can be. I did have Richardson's rating incorrect. That's what going off memory does for you.
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You said your post said that UGA and Tennessee both signed 2 top 150 3* in the last 3 years...the post you made mentions Tennessee top 150, nothing about UGA.
 
#40
#40
zansdad said:
While I agree with you to a point, I think you are failing to recognize the "falling into his lap part". It's not about where Stokes could have went. It's when he wanted to go that made it falling into Martins' lap. Had the TSSAA not ruled Stokes ineligible to play high school ball, Martin is recruiting Stokes the following season against...well, everyone. And UT season was in a slow spiral till Stokes arrived, so Martin probably would have been recruiting from a just barely .500 record.

But Stokes did fall in Martin's lap, or maybe a better way (and much longer way) to say it is, the combination of the TSSAA declaring Stokes ineligible to play his senior year, plus Stoke deciding to go on to college, plus UT being the in-state school and having a spare scholarship made things very favorable for Martin to land Stokes.

Now did Martin have to do the work? Yes. But the guy who hits the Powerball for $300 Million had to go buy the ticket and had to earn the money to pay for the ticket. Didn't mean he didn't get lucky too.
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While I recognize some of this, here is the problem. People here want to criticize Martin for taking guys like Miller, Washpun, and Chievous his first year when in fact, Martin literally had 2 months to fill a roster that had been depleted. Yet, when it comes to this, the same people want to say Stokes "just fell into his lap." BS.

Stokes actually started it all by leaving Central and wanting to go to Oak Hill, and then he changed his mind. But, again, no player is going to attend a school just because a scholarship is open at mid-semester. Stokes is not dumb. IMO, when it comes down to it, he was going to one of 3 schools- UT, Memphis, or Arkansas. I don't believe he was leaving more than 6 hours from Memphis.

But, all of this just gets me. People will constantly criticize without giving any credit whatsoever. Just the way of the world though.
 
#45
#45
johnnybravo said:
Fortunate, lucky, what ever word you want to use go ahead. I'm not bashing CCM on the Stokes recruit. I'm just stating that my opinion is that the chances of Stokes coming to UT mid term when he did was far greater than if he decided to choose what school he wanted to play for in the fall.
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Irrelevant would be the best term.
 
#46
#46
johnnybravo said:
Are you having trouble reading today? My post said "Both GA and TN".

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Are you? Here's your post...


johnnybravo said:
Both GA and TN has signed 2 3* recruits in the past 3 years. TN's Thompson and Richardson both barely squeeked in at 149.
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You say both have signed 3* recruits, nowhere in that post do you say both signed 2 top 150 three stars...
 
#49
#49
MemphisCanes said:
I can and did. I never said he made a bad decision, but he made a different decision than he would've made if those two things hadn't happened.
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I am not suggesting that you said he made a bad decision. I am simply saying that unless you are a member of Jarnell's family (which you may be and I was wrong), then you can't make that kind of statement. I think only a select few or maybe even Jarnell himself would be the only person to know if he would have done something different.
 
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