Rob Lewis expects Stokes and McRae to return...

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bleedingTNorange said:
Obviously water under the bridge now, but what's the perception around the program if he had landed Nichols? 2 top 25 players, likeky wouldn't have added Ndiaye, and a frontcourt of Maymon, Stokes (?) and Nichols next year?
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Know you're just having fun, but ....

Another way of looking at the "what if" scenario: Had Maymon been able to play the SEC schedule last season, UT would have Stokes (?), AJ Davis, and Ndiaye for 2013. That (?) would surely turn into (NBA) and best case, Yemi stays. Martin goes for another BIG in the late period, but after losing Nichols and your "eggs in one basket" theory, it's nowhere near a Maymon/Stokes-type player.

My point is that today's coaches are faced with an ever-changing landscape with guys leaving early (with no warning sometimes) and transfers increasing exponentially. CCM is just reacting to the cards he's dealt just like the other HC's. And he may wake-up and find Maymon 100%, Stokes stays, and he's added BIG depth (Ndiaye) with/wo Yemi. And some poster will say, "What BIG problem?"
 
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dixiebullfrog said:
Know you're just having fun, but ....

Another way of looking at the "what if" scenario: Had Maymon been able to play the SEC schedule last season, UT would have Stokes (?), AJ Davis, and Ndiaye for 2013. That (?) would surely turn into (NBA) and best case, Yemi stays. Martin goes for another BIG in the late period, but after losing Nichols and your "eggs in one basket" theory, it's nowhere near a Maymon/Stokes-type player.

My point is that today's coaches are faced with an ever-changing landscape with guys leaving early (with no warning sometimes) and transfers increasing exponentially. CCM is just reacting to the cards he's dealt just like the other HC's. And he may wake-up and find Maymon 100%, Stokes stays, and he's added BIG depth (Ndiaye) with/wo Yemi. And some poster will say, "What BIG problem?"
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Nichols not coming didn't hurt as much because of Maymon's injury. Nichols was recruited to replace maymon. After we missed on Nichols, I'm sure Martin was looking at other bigs that were better than pops. We stopped recruiting bigs because maymon was gonna get another year.

Unfair argument to say that because we missed on AN, we landed Pops. We landed pops as a replacement for Yemi, not AN.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Obviously water under the bridge now, but what's the perception around the program if he had landed Nichols? 2 top 25 players, likeky wouldn't have added Ndiaye, and a frontcourt of Maymon, Stokes (?) and Nichols next year?
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Everybody would be waiting for Hart to give CCM that extension.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Nichols not coming didn't hurt as much because of Maymon's injury. Nichols was recruited to replace maymon. After we missed on Nichols, I'm sure Martin was looking at other bigs that were better than pops. We stopped recruiting bigs because maymon was gonna get another year.

Unfair argument to say that because we missed on AN, we landed Pops. We landed pops as a replacement for Yemi, not AN.
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He shouldn't have quit recruiting bigs bc Maymon was going to be a senior.
 
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volbeast33 said:
He shouldn't have quit recruiting bigs bc Maymon was going to be a senior.
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What's the easiest thing to sell a highly rated recruit on? PT

I'm gonna guess that very few top 100 big men, or top JUCO big men committed to a school that has 2 all conference players at their position.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
What's the easiest thing to sell a highly rated recruit on? PT

I'm gonna guess that very few top 100 big men, or top JUCO big men committed to a school that has 2 all conference players at their position.
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Probably the one and doners but there was plenty of playing time available for a big and a starting position his sophomore season.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Probably the one and doners but there was plenty of playing time available for a big and a starting position his sophomore season.
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I agree, just asking, how many examples can you think of this year? More and more recruits want early PT, and that was no guarantee.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I agree, just asking, how many examples can you think of this year? More and more recruits want early PT, and that was no guarantee.
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They were guaranteed playing time here......there is absolutely no depth whatsoever.....how do the good teams in college basketball recruit when they have the depth that they have?
 
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volbeast33 said:
They were guaranteed playing time here......there is absolutely no depth whatsoever.....how do the good teams in college basketball recruit when they have the depth that they have?
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Yemi was on the roster, and Davis was incoming, what was there, 10 minutes to offer to a recruit?

So you expect us to recruit on the same level with Duke, Kansas etc?
 
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State of the Vols said:
That's not even close to true. If it were, kids would be flocking to play for the teams at the bottom of the big conferences (i.e. good facilities and support, but crappy coaching/record).
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It is true, it's typically the first thing out of recruits mouths. There are plenty of good programs who offer PT, look at Kentucky, they offer some great PT to freshman every year.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
It is true, it's typically the first thing out of recruits mouths. There are plenty of good programs who offer PT, look at Kentucky, they offer some great PT to freshman every year.
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Not expecting a big in the top ten.....maybe at least one the rivals guy didn't say.....who when asked about.....Zo definitely failed in recruiting bigs.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Not expecting a big in the top ten.....maybe at least one the rivals guy didn't say.....who when asked about.....Zo definitely failed in recruiting bigs.
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Fair enough, and like I've said, I said it over 6 months ago...he's putting all his eggs in one basket, would it pay off? It didn't.
 
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FTCvol said:
I tend to disagree with the general consensus that players improve more by staying in college than they would in the pros... Are there not better coaches in the NBA? Better facilities? Etc, etc, etc... So on and so forth.

Now, will they improve their draft stock? Sure they may. But, is next year's draft not anticipated to be stronger?
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Actually you develop a better mental part of the game as well as skill wise. Alot of players who jump too soon take longer to develop in the pros. When you're paying cash you're not going to be that patient. Plus in college you've been through the fire a little bit and learn through different situations.
 
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He makes tourney next year or CCM should be shown the door. Just reality. I hope he does well and stays. He has got to win now.
 
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