Robert Hubbs SG TN '13

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MemphisCanes said:
Nope, he announces soon, but it'll be for marquette.
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Oh ok.

Is that like Hubbs is a Memphis lean?

Just curious if this is from the same source?

All seriousness though, what's the vibe in Memphis? Are they still satisfied and happy with Pastner or are some starting to question it?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Oh ok.

Is that like Hubbs is a Memphis lean?

Just curious if this is from the same source?

All seriousness though, what's the vibe in Memphis? Are they still satisfied and happy with Pastner or are some starting to question it?
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Hubbs was simply message board chatter. When I heard something reliable about him being a Vandy lean, I let y'all know about it.

This is different. Why not just wait and see?
 
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MemphisCanes said:
If Pastner is already signing All Americans, winning his conference and going to the tournament in his third year coaching, imagine what he'll be doing when he actually gets some experience.
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Please. If he doesn't win something significant soon, maybe as soon as next year, that experience will be found in the Sunbelt. I just find it funny that you berate Stallings, yet praise Pastner for similar results, though Pastner has every advantage over Stallings aside from experience.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Hubbs was simply message board chatter. When I heard something reliable about him being a Vandy lean, I let y'all know about it.

This is different. Why not just wait and see?
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So if it was message board chatter why would you come to a UT board and say he is a Memphis lean. That's not exactly the best "sources" to go by.

The Vandy lean you mentioned was after I posted his final 6 schools. Which included Vanderbilt, not really anything people didn't know at that point.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
So if it was message board chatter why would you come to a UT board and say he is a Memphis lean. That's not exactly the best "sources" to go by.

The Vandy lean you mentioned was after I posted his final 6 schools. Which included Vanderbilt, not really anything people didn't know at that point.
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Winner
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
So if it was message board chatter why would you come to a UT board and say he is a Memphis lean. That's not exactly the best "sources" to go by.

The Vandy lean you mentioned was after I posted his final 6 schools. Which included Vanderbilt, not really anything people didn't know at that point.
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No, it wasn't. Go back and reread the thread, post #87 specifically.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Pastner has only been a coach for 3 years. The guy is 34 years old and is a work in progress. Stallings has been coaching for 20 or so.

He'll most likely never have a trio as good as taylor, Jenkins and Ezeli again, and he could only muster the round of 32. A "good" year, by all objectivity, but not much more.
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I will agree with you for the most part but we are talking the present. Now Stallings is a better coach, IMO. Pastner may or may not become a good coach. Some guys are nice guys and understand basketball but that never translates to success, see Buzz Peterson.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
If Pastner is already signing All Americans, winning his conference and going to the tournament in his third year coaching, imagine what he'll be doing when he actually gets some experience.
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We'll see in a couple years. My bet is Pastner Is gone in 3 years or less.
 
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zansdad said:
We'll see in a couple years. My bet is Pastner Is gone in 3 years or less.
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Like I said before, unless Pastner does something significant in the next year or two, he'll be getting this fabled experience in the Sun Belt, OVC, MVC, etc.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Like I said before, unless Pastner does something significant in the next year or two, he'll be getting this fabled experience in the Sun Belt, OVC, MVC, etc.
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If you're insenuating that Pastner is on the hot seat you're barking up the wrong tree. He had a pretty good year, all things considered.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
If you're insenuating that Pastner is on the hot seat you're barking up the wrong tree. He had a pretty good year, all things considered.
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What things considered? Playing in Candyland USA? Having more talent than 90% of the teams they played? Yeah, ok. We'll see how patient Memphis fans and the big brass boosters are with another early exit. Pastner's safety net left with RC Johnson. In three years, he has an NIT bid and two first round losses. That's not acceptable by Memphis standards. You don't cut your coaching teeth in the Big East either.
 
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cncchris33 said:
What things considered? Playing in Candyland USA? Having more talent than 90% of the teams they played? Yeah, ok. We'll see how patient Memphis fans and the big brass boosters are with another early exit. Pastner's safety net left with RC Johnson. In three years, he has an NIT bid and two first round losses. That's not acceptable by Memphis standards. You don't cut your coaching teeth in the Big East either.
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Losing a starter for the year and another for over 2 months.

Memphis dominated C-USA, like we should.

First, RC Johnson hasn't gone anywhere yet. Second, why is back to back tourney appearances "not good enough for Memphis"? Outside of Calipari, it's only happened four times before.

He's won 2 conference tournies, outside of Calipari, Pastner has already got 1/3 of Memphis' total.

He's bringing in McDonald's All Americans left and right. If he leaves Memphis, it'll be a for a better job and not because he hasn't performed.
 
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If he leaves Memphis, it'll be a for a better job and not because he hasn't performed.
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Bahahaha hahahaha....I needed a good laugh today.

Wait, we're you being serious?

Every person involved with college basketball, except Memphis fans, have said he has now under achieved 3 years in a row. Nobody is knocking down the door for that guy. He'd be lucky to get hired by another c USA team it he was let go.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Bahahaha hahahaha....I needed a good laugh today.

Wait, we're you being serious?

Every person involved with college basketball, except Memphis fans, have said he has now under achieved 3 years in a row. Nobody is knocking down the door for that guy. He'd be lucky to get hired by another c USA team it he was let go.
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Just wait until he starts playing in a real conference in the Big East and see what his record looks like and how happy Memphis fans are.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Bahahaha hahahaha....I needed a good laugh today.

Wait, we're you being serious?

Every person involved with college basketball, except Memphis fans, have said he has now under achieved 3 years in a row. Nobody is knocking down the door for that guy. He'd be lucky to get hired by another c USA team it he was let go.
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Really?

"Steve Hebel ‏ @WindyCitySource
@BTNTomDienhart Some interesting names for the #Illinois job: Scott Drew, Stan Heath, Anthony Grant, Shaka Smart, Josh Pastner #B1G"
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
Just wait until he starts playing in a real conference in the Big East and see what his record looks like and how happy Memphis fans are.
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He'll have another season to mature, recruit depth and prep his team.

More conference losses will come, but the move to the Big East is good for Memphis.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Really?

"Steve Hebel ‏ @WindyCitySource
@BTNTomDienhart Some interesting names for the #Illinois job: Scott Drew, Stan Heath, Anthony Grant, Shaka Smart, Josh Pastner #B1G"
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Is Illinois really a better job than Memphis right now?

Sorry, now that you're in the big east I figured you thought a bit more highly of the Memphis program.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Is Illinois really a better job than Memphis right now?

Sorry, now that you're in the big east I figured you thought a bit more highly of the Memphis program.
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Why does it matter if Illinois is a better job?

You said nobody was interested in Josh Pastner, and like usual, you were mistaken.

Notwithstanding, I think Memphis, in the Big East, is a great job.

Illinois can be one of the premier jobs in the Nation as well.
 
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MC,

Good read: Some will say that the Josh Pastner Era is off to a bad start | CollegeBasketballTalk


Pretty much sums it up:

"The bottom line is that Calipari made Memphis a brand name. He’s the one whose success turned them into an elite program and earned the school an invite to the Big East.

When they join, *the Tigers will no longer have a cupcake regular season schedule. They’re going to have to bring it night-in and night-out, relying on far more than just talent. Some sort of execution of a sound game plan will be imperative for success.

I’m not saying Josh Pastner can’t do it, but I am saying that his coaching seat will probably feel a bit warm entering next season."
 
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MemphisCanes said:
He'll have another season to mature, recruit depth and prep his team.

More conference losses will come, but the move to the Big East is good for Memphis.
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I agree that the move to the Big East is huge for Memphis. I'm just not sure that you have a coach that can compete with coaches in that conference night in and night out. He is a great recruiter, not so great of a floor coach. It will be interesting to see how that plays out.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Why does it matter if Illinois is a better job?
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Here's your quote:

If he leaves Memphis, it'll be a for a better job and not because he hasn't performed.
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Me saying no schools want him was in reference to the "better" job that you refer to. Sure someone would hire the guy, he coaches at a d1 school, he won't just fall to HS levels.

You are the one that said if he leaves it'll e for a better job, and that simply isn't the case. You bring up Illinois, that's not a better job.
 
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Of course, when you follow Cal at Memphis (or Pearl at UT, for instance), especially as a young and inexperienced coach, there will be a drop-off. Cal's last 4 years at Memphis were the best 4 years of Memphis bball ever. Why expect a 33 year old coach who hadn't coached a game to come in a replicate? Are you expecting an Elite 8 out of Martin next season?

Pastner has improved as a coach and Memphis has improved as a team and we should be even better next year. Can't ask too much more of a 3rd year, 34 year old coach.
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
I agree that the move to the Big East is huge for Memphis. I'm just not sure that you have a coach that can compete with coaches in that conference night in and night out. He is a great recruiter, not so great of a floor coach. It will be interesting to see how that plays out.
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Exactly.

Out coached again in the NCAAs, and is now Ofer against top 25 teams in 3 years. The big east will be a rude awakening. Depaul and Providence will soon have company if Pastner is at the helm.
 
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