Robert Hubbs SG TN '13

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bleedingTNorange said:
Here's your quote:



Me saying no schools want him was in reference to the "better" job that you refer to. Sure someone would hire the guy, he coaches at a d1 school, he won't just fall to HS levels.

You are the one that said if he leaves it'll e for a better job, and that simply isn't the case. You bring up Illinois, that's not a better job.
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Nice try, but you simply said "no one is knocking down the door for Pastner". You were wrong, which is becoming the norm for you.

Pastner is not leaving for Illinois.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Of course, when you follow Cal at Memphis (or Pearl at UT, for instance), especially as a young and inexperienced coach, there will be a drop-off. Cal's last 4 years at Memphis were the best 4 years of Memphis bball ever. Why expect a 33 year old coach who hadn't coached a game to come in a replicate? Are you expecting an Elite 8 out of Martin next season?

Pastner has improved as a coach and Memphis has improved as a team and we should be even better next year. Can't ask too much more of a 3rd year, 34 year old coach.
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Shaka Smart and Brad Stevens tend to disagree. They've done much more, with much less at about the same age and existence level.

When Memphis wins 99% of the time it is because of their talent, you don't have to admit it I know you won't. When it comes down to equal or even close to equal talent level teams, Pastner has proven time and time again he gets out coached. This is why he has yet to beat a top 25 team in 3 years, but has had MANY opportunities.

You throw out CCM. CCM has atleast shown signs of being able to coach and beating top 25 teams. What 3 already this year?

If you are willing to be a NIT and 1st round knockout 8-10 seed every year in the NCAA then ok. I guess i just assumed you wanted more than that???
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Nice try, but you simply said "no one is knocking down the door for Pastner". You were wrong, which is becoming the norm for you.

Pastner is not leaving for Illinois.
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As I said, it was in reference to you saying for a better job. Nobody from a BETTER JOB is knocking down the door for Pastner. Really didn't think I needed to clarify that.

The norm for me is being wrong?

Ok mr. Chievous is suspense indefinitely with a broken jaw and nose. Or mr UT isn't even considered a too school for Nichols. Or mr. Hubbs is a Memphis lean. But your right wrong is the norm for me. Your reputation on this board is that of someone who claims to have sources yet always seems to be wrong about what his "sources" told him.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Shaka Smart and Brad Stevens tend to disagree. They've done much more, with much less at about the same age and existence level.

When Memphis wins 99% of the time it is because of their talent, you don't have to admit it I know you won't. When it comes down to equal or even close to equal talent level teams, Pastner has proven time and time again he gets out coached. This is why he has yet to beat a top 25 team in 3 years, but has had MANY opportunities.

You throw out CCM. CCM has atleast shown signs of being able to coach and beating top 25 teams. What 3 already this year?

If you are willing to be a NIT and 1st round knockout 8-10 seed every year in the NCAA then ok. I guess i just assumed you wanted more than that???
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CCM has never been to the dance, does that mean he never will? Dumb argument, man. Real dumb.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
CCM has never been to the dance, does that mean he never will? Dumb argument, man. Real dumb.
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Ok let's compare first years:

Pastner: bubble team, NIT bound, 0 top 25 wins
Martin: bubble team, NIT bound, 3 top 25 wins

Who had the better first year?

And that's not taking into account expectations. Tennessee was liked last in SEC, finished 2nd. Memphis was projected top 15 iirc, and to win c USA. They whiffed on their expectations completely. As I said earlier, most aroun CBB tend to agree pastner has disappointed and underachieved in his 3 years.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Other than recruit please tell me ht has Pastner done in 3 years that makes you think he'll be succesful in the BE?
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Nobody knows the future, but he's:

won more games than any other Memphis H/C over his first three years.

gotten us back to owning the C-USA after Cal torched the program.

Already has more tournie appearances than Cal did in his first 3 years here.

Time will tell how he'll do in the Big East, but assuming we'll be as bad as DePaul and Providence is just as dumb as assuming we'll come in and take over for Syracuse.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Ok let's compare first years:

Pastner: bubble team, NIT bound, 0 top 25 wins
Martin: bubble team, NIT bound, 3 top 25 wins

Who had the better first year?

And that's not taking into account expectations. Tennessee was liked last in SEC, finished 2nd. Memphis was projected top 15 iirc, and to win c USA. They whiffed on their expectations completely. As I said earlier, most aroun CBB tend to agree pastner has disappointed and underachieved in his 3 years.
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Both bounced in the second round of the NIT, so I guess it's a tie. Memphis was ranked no where near top 15 when Pastner took over, wrong again.

The same elements of the cbball community that think Pastner has "underachieved" despite what Cal left him with are the same who think that Martin underachieved this year and can't coach. People are dumb. Don't be dumb like them.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Nobody knows the future, but he's:

won more games than any other Memphis H/C over his first three years.

gotten us back to owning the C-USA after Cal torched the program.

Already has more tournie appearances than Cal did in his first 3 years here.

Time will tell how he'll do in the Big East, but assuming we'll be as bad as DePaul and Providence is just as dumb as assuming we'll come in and take over for Syracuse.
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Owning c USA is a bit of a stretch my friend. Cal made it a regular 16-0 or 15-1 those last few years, you didn't even win c USA what was it last year???
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Both bounced in the second round of the NIT, so I guess it's a tie. Memphis was ranked no where near top 15 when Pastner took over, wrong again.

The same elements of the cbball community that think Pastner has "underachieved" despite what Cal left him with are the same who think that Martin underachieved this year and can't coach. People are dumb. Don't be dumb like them.
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Um no I've seen nobody saying Martin underachieved, wtf are you talking about?

Edit/ my apologies I got his first season mixed up. It was the following year they were around 15, and again underachieved. And then this year were top 10, and once again didn't meet that mark. However, his first season they were around 30, and that would also be considered a mark they underachieved to reach.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Owning c USA is a bit of a stretch my friend. Cal made it a regular 16-0 or 15-1 those last few years, you didn't even win c USA what was it last year???
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Won C-USA by two games this season, and our losses came at a combined total of 6 points. This at a time where the C-USA is earning multiple bids to the dance. If I recall, they didn't do that in 2006-2009 when Cal was dominating C-USA.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Really? Take a gander at the front page of this forum, home slice. All kinds of mouthbreathers are up in arms around here.
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a reaction to one game does not mean people believe Martin underachieved on the whole season. That's ridiculous logic
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Really? Take a gander at the front page of this forum, home slice. All kinds of mouthbreathers are up in arms around here.
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Your talking about posters???

I forgot, message boards are your sources, that's right.

I'm talking about the analysts and experts, and coaches of other schools. Nobody that knows What they are talking about is saying Martin underachieved most actually are praising him for the coaching job he did.

Meanwhile, those same people are talking about the disappointment and underachieving of pastner in 3 consecutive years now.
 
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utvolpj said:
a reaction to one game does not mean people believe Martin underachieved on the whole season. That's ridiculous logic
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You have to realize this guys "sources" are by reading the Memphis message boards and then reporting it here.

Makes a bit more sense now.
 
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utvolpj said:
a reaction to one game does not mean people believe Martin underachieved on the whole season. That's ridiculous logic
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To the logical, that's abosolutely true. But try telling that the people starting threads like "Martin has to go" and "Pathetic" and "Worst Choke Job".

There's always some idiots voicing disproval after a loss.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
To the logical, that's abosolutely true. But try telling that the people starting threads like "Martin has to go" and "Pathetic" and "Worst Choke Job".

There's always some idiots voicing disproval after a loss.
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again, that's a one game reaction in each thread you mentioned. One loss does not define a season
 
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MemphisCanes said:
That is absolutely right. Loan some of your wisdom to Mr. 7000 here if you could.
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What have I said that is using posters as source like you enjoy doing?

I'm quoting national sports analyst as saying Martin overachieved and pastner continues to underachieve.

I challenge you to show me anything saying the opposite. And not off twitter or a message board and quote it as a source as you tend to do.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
He's bringing in McDonald's All Americans left and right. If he leaves Memphis, it'll be a for a better job and not because he hasn't performed.
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And underachieving with them mightily. The Big East is not CUSA. He dominated that conference by default.

I love how you fault Stallings and his lack of tournament success, yet make excuses for Pastner in spite of having, at worst, equal talent, dominating conference play and racking up wins against mid-major competition, and sitting on a hotbed of home-grown talent.

I all but guarantee that Pastner will be let go within three years if he continues to falter in postseason with all the talent he has. There are several coaches who can come in there and keep the Memphis talent at home. Not everyone can coach them. You act as though other schools would beat down the door to try and steal Pastner.
 
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cncchris33 said:
And underachieving with them mightily. The Big East is not CUSA. He dominated that conference by default.

I love how you fault Stallings and his lack of tournament success, yet make excuses for Pastner in spite of having, at worst, equal talent, dominating conference play and racking up wins against mid-major competition, and sitting on a hotbed of home-grown talent.

I all but guarantee that Pastner will be let go within three years if he continues to falter in postseason with all the talent he has. There are several coaches who can come in there and keep the Memphis talent at home. Not everyone can coach them. You act as though other schools would beat down the door to try and steal Pastner.
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Stallings has more talent than Pastner this season (as the NBA draft will prove) plus 16 years more experience, and he made it one round farther than Pastner.

Pastner will have to start winning tournament games fairly quickly, there's no question about it. If he shows he can't, we'll go out and find someone who can.

But if back to back seasons for a new Memphis coach doesn't cut it, Calipari would've been canned back in 2004. Pastner is showing improvement, independent of the national media's idea of what Memphis "should've accomplished" this season. A coach doesn't get on the hot seat for showing improvement.


If Pastner still hasn't won a tournament game in 3 years, and is struggling in the Big East, then he will probably be gone.
 
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