Rod Wilks stands out at Elite Camp..............

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kptvol said:
I'm not so sure Patrick Turner would be better off going to UT. He's next in line to be USC's WR drafted in the first round. He'll be playing in a high-octane offense with a good QB against weak defenses. And no, I highly doubt Patrick Turner would have been #2 last year. #3 maybe, but that's it. He'd have a great shot at being #1 this year, but he'll be the number one for USC next year, so not much difference there. Overall, I think he made a smart move. He's already got two championships, played for a NC, and will more than likely play for another one. Considering all that, I think he made a fine choice. Personally, if I wasn't a huge fan of UT, deciding between UT and USC wouldn't take me 2 seconds.
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Ummm, nothing in my post even mentioned Turner. That post was about Warren.
 
#27
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therickbol said:
Ummm, nothing in my post even mentioned Turner. That post was about Warren.
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Yes, but the main reason the guy you quoted said anything was because he disagreed with Patrick Turner. That's the gist I got from it.

I think everyone pretty much gets that Brandon Warren would have been better off staying in Knoxville.
 
#28
#28
kptvol said:
I'm not so sure Patrick Turner would be better off going to UT. He's next in line to be USC's WR drafted in the first round. He'll be playing in a high-octane offense with a good QB against weak defenses. And no, I highly doubt Patrick Turner would have been #2 last year. #3 maybe, but that's it. He'd have a great shot at being #1 this year, but he'll be the number one for USC next year, so not much difference there. Overall, I think he made a smart move. He's already got two championships, played for a NC, and will more than likely play for another one. Considering all that, I think he made a fine choice. Personally, if I wasn't a huge fan of UT, deciding between UT and USC wouldn't take me 2 seconds.
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Crap. I missed earlier where hatvol pretty much said everything I posted here.
 
#29
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Turner may not even be the #3 WR for USC this year(that isn't counting their TE). He may be an AA, but he would be the #1 guy for us. Maybe that would be enough for him to get big scouts to look at him at USC, idk. I'd say following Meach's footsteps wouldn't hurt.
 
#30
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hatvol96 said:
On a mediocre team, that played in a meaningless bowl game, in the 8,779th largest media market in the country, and for a program that hasn't produced any wide receivers of real NFL relevance since Carl Pickens and Alvin Harper. I'd say he's quite content in L.A..
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Peerless was pretty darn relevant when he was in Buffalo. He had over 1200 yards one season in Buffalo. The most Harper ever had was 800. Same goes for Donte. He had 950 yards in 2005. Cedric Wilson has done well so far too. In 2004, he had 650 yards and in 2005 he won a superbowl. Not to mention he's only been in the pros since 2001. Now Carl Pickens is a different story, but then again USC hasn't exactly put out great recievers the past few years either. Most of them are busts, with the exception of Keyshawn. Then again, some say he was an overrated reciever too. On espn's overrated all time of any sport he was in the top 5. The first part of your argument holds. the last part... not so much.
 
#31
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lacrossepro70 said:
Peerless was pretty darn relevant when he was in Buffalo. He had over 1200 yards one season in Buffalo. The most Harper ever had was 800. Same goes for Donte. He had 950 yards in 2005. Cedric Wilson has done well so far too. In 2004, he had 650 yards and in 2005 he won a superbowl. Not to mention he's only been in the pros since 2001. Now Carl Pickens is a different story, but then again USC hasn't exactly put out great recievers the past few years either. Most of them are busts, with the exception of Keyshawn. Then again, some say he was an overrated reciever too. On espn's overrated all time of any sport he was in the top 5. The first part of your argument holds. the last part... not so much.
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Peerless was relevant as Eric Mould's caddy. Alvin Harper won multiple Super Bowl rings and made big plays in the playoffs. SC has filled the draft with wide receivers. The fact you have to use Cedric Wilson as an example of an NFL receiver produced by UT proves my point.
 
#32
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hatvol96 said:
Peerless was relevant as Eric Mould's caddy. Alvin Harper won multiple Super Bowl rings and made big plays in the playoffs. SC has filled the draft with wide receivers. The fact you have to use Cedric Wilson as an example of an NFL receiver produced by UT proves my point.
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Definitely agree that UT's receivers dropped off big-time from what they were in the late 70s - early 90s. It's all relative - we were loaded during those years, so the past 10 years or so seems relatively weak. Recently, USC has sent Keary Colbert, Dwayne Jarrett, Steve Smith, and Mike Williams to the pros. Good, but I don't know if they've "filled the draft with wide receivers," at least not in the same way that Florida has.

But Donte, Peerless, Cedric have had their moments, Kelley Washington seemed to have more talent than God (and I can't figure out what's happened to him), and don't forget Eric Parker - the guy just keeps producing.
 
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wbarron said:
Definitely agree that UT's receivers dropped off big-time from what they were in the late 70s - early 90s. It's all relative - we were loaded during those years, so the past 10 years or so seems relatively weak. Recently, USC has sent Keary Colbert, Dwayne Jarrett, Steve Smith, and Mike Williams to the pros. Good, but I don't know if they've "filled the draft with wide receivers," at least not in the same way that Florida has.

But Donte, Peerless, Cedric have had their moments, Kelley Washington seemed to have more talent than God (and I can't figure out what's happened to him), and don't forget Eric Parker - the guy just keeps producing.
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R. Jay Soward was also a 1st round pick out of SC.
 
#36
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hatvol96 said:
Peerless was relevant as Eric Mould's caddy. Alvin Harper won multiple Super Bowl rings and made big plays in the playoffs. SC has filled the draft with wide receivers. The fact you have to use Cedric Wilson as an example of an NFL receiver produced by UT proves my point.
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1200 yards is hardly a caddy season.
2002 stats- 94 1252 13.3 9
Eric Moulds- 100 1287 12.9 10

oh and as for Carl Pickens. Here are his best season's stats. 1995- 99 1234 12.5 17. Peerless's best us greater than Carl's best. And Carl Pickens wasn't even "caddying" for someone else. So now I'm confused. It seems to me like Tennessee recievers are having more success now in the pros than they did in the 80s. As for USC, their WR draft picks have been notorious for being universal busts. That is one of the reasons Dwayne Jerrett and Steve Smith were drafted so low. Steve Smith especially.
Funny you call Peerless a caddy because as I recall Alvin Harper was Michael Irvin's caddy. Eric Parker and Cedric had little hype out of college, but they are producing at about the level of what Harper was. And don't even start with Mike Williams. can you say "bust"? I think you are dead on with most of your posts, but saying that our WR's have little relevance in the NFL compared to the 80's is flat out wrong.
 
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lacrossepro70 said:
1200 yards is hardly a caddy season.
2002 stats- 94 1252 13.3 9
Eric Moulds- 100 1287 12.9 10

oh and as for Carl Pickens. Here are his best season's stats. 1995- 99 1234 12.5 17. Peerless's best us greater than Carl's best. And Carl Pickens wasn't even "caddying" for someone else. So now I'm confused. It seems to me like Tennessee recievers are having more success now in the pros than they did in the 80s. As for USC, their WR draft picks have been notorious for being universal busts. That is one of the reasons Dwayne Jerrett and Steve Smith were drafted so low. Steve Smith especially.
Funny you call Peerless a caddy because as I recall Alvin Harper was Michael Irvin's caddy. Eric Parker and Cedric had little hype out of college, but they are producing at about the level of what Harper was. And don't even start with Mike Williams. can you say "bust"? I think you are dead on with most of your posts, but saying that our WR's have little relevance in the NFL compared to the 80's is flat out wrong.
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I guess you are unable to grasp the fact that Moulds and Pickens were being covered by Deon Sanders while Price was being covered by guys like Charles Dimry. How did Peerless work out as a #1 receiver in Atlanta? Case closed.
 
#38
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lacrossepro70 said:
1200 yards is hardly a caddy season.
2002 stats- 94 1252 13.3 9
Eric Moulds- 100 1287 12.9 10

oh and as for Carl Pickens. Here are his best season's stats. 1995- 99 1234 12.5 17. Peerless's best us greater than Carl's best. And Carl Pickens wasn't even "caddying" for someone else. So now I'm confused. It seems to me like Tennessee recievers are having more success now in the pros than they did in the 80s. As for USC, their WR draft picks have been notorious for being universal busts. That is one of the reasons Dwayne Jerrett and Steve Smith were drafted so low. Steve Smith especially.
Funny you call Peerless a caddy because as I recall Alvin Harper was Michael Irvin's caddy. Eric Parker and Cedric had little hype out of college, but they are producing at about the level of what Harper was. And don't even start with Mike Williams. can you say "bust"? I think you are dead on with most of your posts, but saying that our WR's have little relevance in the NFL compared to the 80's is flat out wrong.
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Exactly how many Super Bowl champions was Price an integral member of during his career?
 
#39
#39
lacrossepro70 said:
1200 yards is hardly a caddy season.
2002 stats- 94 1252 13.3 9
Eric Moulds- 100 1287 12.9 10

oh and as for Carl Pickens. Here are his best season's stats. 1995- 99 1234 12.5 17. Peerless's best us greater than Carl's best. And Carl Pickens wasn't even "caddying" for someone else. So now I'm confused. It seems to me like Tennessee recievers are having more success now in the pros than they did in the 80s. As for USC, their WR draft picks have been notorious for being universal busts. That is one of the reasons Dwayne Jerrett and Steve Smith were drafted so low. Steve Smith especially.
Funny you call Peerless a caddy because as I recall Alvin Harper was Michael Irvin's caddy. Eric Parker and Cedric had little hype out of college, but they are producing at about the level of what Harper was. And don't even start with Mike Williams. can you say "bust"? I think you are dead on with most of your posts, but saying that our WR's have little relevance in the NFL compared to the 80's is flat out wrong.
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Interesting. You say Price's best year is better than Pickens' yet Carl scored twice as many TDs. Silly me. I thought the point of the game was to reach the end zone.
 
#40
#40
lacrossepro70 said:
Peerless was pretty darn relevant when he was in Buffalo. He had over 1200 yards one season in Buffalo. The most Harper ever had was 800. Same goes for Donte. He had 950 yards in 2005. Cedric Wilson has done well so far too. In 2004, he had 650 yards and in 2005 he won a superbowl. Not to mention he's only been in the pros since 2001. Now Carl Pickens is a different story, but then again USC hasn't exactly put out great recievers the past few years either. Most of them are busts, with the exception of Keyshawn. Then again, some say he was an overrated reciever too. On espn's overrated all time of any sport he was in the top 5. The first part of your argument holds. the last part... not so much.
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yea UT has way better WR's in the NFL than USC... i think it just came down to staying close to home or taking the opportunity to go to LA, and i know if i were a 17-18 year old kid coming out of high school (although im only 21) i would definetely want to go to a big city like LA for free..
 
#41
#41
getyopopcornready said:
yea UT has way better WR's in the NFL than USC... i think it just came down to staying close to home or taking the opportunity to go to LA, and i know if i were a 17-18 year old kid coming out of high school (although im only 21) i would definetely want to go to a big city like LA for free..
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Yeah, it had nothing to do with USC winning National Titles while UT goes to bowls named after fast food chicken joints and bad steakhouses.
 
#42
#42
hatvol96 said:
Yeah, it had nothing to do with USC winning National Titles while UT goes to bowls named after fast food chicken joints and bad steakhouses.
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USC has also won 4 or 5 straight conference championships. I don't see that streak ending anytime soon. UT will have to put something really special together to beat Meyer, Saban, Spurrier, and Richt in the same season anytime soon.

As for WR production in the NFL, I think that's really a inconsequential as far as recruiting goes. You go to college to show off your skills and get drafted. The fact that USC has had so many wide receivers go in the first two rounds the past few years is a huge selling point. They're all rich regardless of good they turn out in the league.
 
#43
#43
kptvol said:
USC has also won 4 or 5 straight conference championships. I don't see that streak ending anytime soon. UT will have to put something really special together to beat Meyer, Saban, Spurrier, and Richt in the same season anytime soon.

As for WR production in the NFL, I think that's really a inconsequential as far as recruiting goes. You go to college to show off your skills and get drafted. The fact that USC has had so many wide receivers go in the first two rounds the past few years is a huge selling point. They're all rich regardless of good they turn out in the league.
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The fact that they've had so many busts is the reason why Steve Smith and Dwayne Jarrett didn't go as high as they expected.
 
#47
#47
lacrossepro70 said:
I don't care what kind of reciever you have if Michael Vick is the qb. No WR has ever been productive around Vick. Case closed.
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Peerless went on to be the fourth string guy for Dallas. His first season back in Buffalo resulted in him getting less yards than he ever did with Vick.
 
#49
#49
lacrossepro70 said:
I don't care what kind of reciever you have if Michael Vick is the qb. No WR has ever been productive around Vick. Case closed.
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Remind me how Peerless resurrected his career when he left Atlanta. Oh, that's right. He continued to stink.
 
#50
#50
kptvol said:
They went slightly higher than stud recruits Jayson Swain and Bret Smith.
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USC has also had stud recruit busts. Fred Smith (5 star) and Derrick Jones (4 star) along with Jason Mitchell (4 star). None of which were drafted.
 
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