Rod Wilks stands out at Elite Camp..............

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#76
lacrossepro70 said:
I am also arguing that Tennessee prepares their WR's for the NFL better than USC.
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Obviously NFL scouts do not agree with you. In fact, Robert Meachem and Arron Sears are the only guys that have even mildly impressed them in years.
 
#78
#78
lacrossepro70 said:
Then I guess it comes down to whether they would like to win a championship and ride the bench for 4 years or play for 4 years for an average team. Players would choose differently.
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Players don't go to a team thinking they will ride the bench. If USC offeres you a scholarship, they and you believe you will play. You act like these guys don't have egos.
 
#79
#79
lacrossepro70 said:
Then I guess it comes down to whether they would like to win a championship and ride the bench for 4 years or play for 4 years for an average team. Players would choose differently.
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Apparently not. USC is recruiting much better than we are the last 3 or 4 years.
 
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kptvol said:
Obviously NFL scouts do not agree with you. In fact, Robert Meachem and Arron Sears are the only guys that have even mildly impressed them in years.
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So now you want to debate Tennessee's pipeline to the NFL? We have the 3rd number of players in the NFL. (MORE THAN USC). oh you missed Justin Harrell there. And Jason Allen was a first round draft pick last year. Go tell that to the 3 players who were drafted in the first round in 2002 as well.
 
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lacrossepro70 said:
So now you want to debate Tennessee's pipeline to the NFL? We have the 3rd number of players in the NFL. (MORE THAN USC). oh you missed Justin Harrell there. And Jason Allen was a first round draft pick last year. Go tell that to the 3 players who were drafted in the first round in 2002 as well.
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I was referring to offensive players. You know, like Patrick Turner.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Apparently not. USC is recruiting much better than we are the last 3 or 4 years.
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So you're saying noone choose differently??? If you ask a person straight up that question and see what they say, their answeres would vary. And they didn't recruit much better than we did this year. I like our class better than theirs actually.
 
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#84
lacrossepro70 said:
I don't get the Patrick Turner thing. I'm pretty sure he hasn't impressed NFL scouts.
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I'd say UT's NFL success didn't impress Patrick Turner (or other offensive recruits for that matter) seeing as how Meachem was the first offensive first day pick in years. I pointed this out earlier.
 
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#86
hatvol96 said:
Yeah, that's why NFL draftniks are talking about him being a top 15 pick in the 2008 Draft.
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Even though he hasn't done anything at USC. He would've had more playing time already at Tennessee, and I seriously doubt his draft status would be any lower.
 
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#87
lacrossepro70 said:
Even though he hasn't done anything at USC. He would've had more playing time already at Tennessee, and I seriously doubt his draft status would be any lower.
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Jason Witten was drafted in the third round after an average UT season. It's safe to say he is first-round talent.
 
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kptvol said:
I'd say UT's NFL success didn't impress Patrick Turner (or other offensive recruits for that matter) seeing as how Meachem was the first offensive first day pick in years. I pointed this out earlier.
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Stallworth was the first reciever taken in the 2002 draft. Both Kelley Washington and Jason Witten were drafted on the first day in 2003 as well.
 
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kptvol said:
Jason Witten was drafted in the third round after an average UT season. It's safe to say he is first-round talent.
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I'd say it's a bit easier to go unnoticed as a TE than a WR would you agree? Jason Witten also left school too early. His biggets knock was that he wasn't strong enough, and an extra year in school would've helped. Also, most of the NFL's best TE's weren't first round draft picks.
 
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lacrossepro70 said:
I'd say it's a bit easier to go unnoticed as a TE than a WR would you agree? Jason Witten also left school too early. His biggets knock was that he wasn't strong enough, and an extra year in school would've helped. Also, most of the NFL's best TE's weren't first round draft picks.
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I think five TE's went ahead of him that year. Dallas Clark went in the first round.
 
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lacrossepro70 said:
Stallworth was the first reciever taken in the 2002 draft. Both Kelley Washington and Jason Witten were drafted on the first day in 2003 as well.
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None of that is going to impress a recruit. That was forever ago. Most people don't even watch anything beyond the first round. UT's offense hadn't put anybody there for a good while. USC's put multiple guys in there in multiple years.
 
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kptvol said:
None of that is going to impress a recruit. That was forever ago. Most people don't even watch anything beyond the first round. UT's offense hadn't put anybody there for a good while. USC's put multiple guys in there in multiple years.
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So then which is a better selling point: We're USC and we've had some guys drafted high but they haven't been worth anything in the NFL (R. Jay Soward, Williams) or guys that are drafted lower and have longer/ better NFL career (Eric Parker, Cedrick Wilson)?
 
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#95
Just looking at USC and UT at wr since 2000 in the NFL Draft...

USC has had 2 first round picks both flops (Soward and Williams) and 7 total drafted.

UT has had 2 first round picks (Meachem and Donte) Donte not an all pro but has been pretty good and 6 total wrs taken.

so pretty much they are even in that regard over the last 7 years.

I'm not even going to look at qb's b/c that's obvious.

USC has only had 3 rb's picked (Fargas, Bush and White) Reggie looks like the only one worth anything at this point. 1 first round pick (Bush).

UT has had 4 rb's drafted (Lewis, Henry, Stephens and Houston) Lewis and Henry have been to pro bowls. 1 first round pick (Lewis).

We have also had a pro bowl TE (Witten drafted).

From 2000 to 2006 the Vols had 44 players drafted to USCs 35.

Over the past season we have put just as many wrs in the NFL, with both schools having 2 taken in the first round, more rbs who hav had better careers at this point, with both schools having 1 first rounder.

Bottom line it is a myth or lie that USC has been producing more talent at offensive skill positions since 2000.
 
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kptvol said:
None of that is going to impress a recruit. That was forever ago. Most people don't even watch anything beyond the first round. UT's offense hadn't put anybody there for a good while. USC's put multiple guys in there in multiple years.
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I beg to differ. There are many people who watched the entire draft or at least a large portion of it. I noticed that they were showing the second day on ESPN instead of ESPN2 this year. There is talk of them moving it to prime time it has been such a hit.

Besides, if it was your career choice, don't you think you would do a little research? And even if they are too lazy, rest assured the coaches have done it for them.
 
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JZVOL said:
So then which is a better selling point: We're USC and we've had some guys drafted high but they haven't been worth anything in the NFL (R. Jay Soward, Williams) or guys that are drafted lower and have longer/ better NFL career (Eric Parker, Cedrick Wilson)?
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You get drafted high and you're a millionaire no matter what. Add to that the fact that Eric Parker said he was poorly coached at UT and the advantage goes to USC.
 
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kptvol said:
You get drafted high and you're a millionaire no matter what. Add to that the fact that Eric Parker said he was poorly coached at UT and the advantage goes to USC.
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Considering that coach isn't at UT and both schools have the same number of first round draft picks during the time I pointed there is no advantage.

So now the arguement has changed to how many millionaires they produce?
 
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JZVOL said:
Considering that coach isn't at UT and both schools have the same number of first round draft picks during the time I pointed there is no advantage.

So now the arguement has changed to how many millionaires they produce?
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USC has way more offensive draft picks. The number of defensive players drafted are irrelevant to the Patrick Turner discussion. Both schools have done well on the defensive side of the ball in recent years. USC has also fielded an exciting, high-octane offense. UT has made a habit of being the antithesis of that.
 
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If you are underdrafted (like Jason Witten), then after a couple years if you produce well you will get a very nice contract. So it is much better to be drafted low and have a great career than to be drafted highly and be busts. If you disagree then you are wrong. And btw, Tennessee has had more players drafted( as the other guy mentioned) over the past 6 years. So not only have Tennessee players been more productive, we've had more drafted as well.
 
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