Roe vs Wade Overturned

[TRUEFANVol]

Of course you don’t. Never understood on why we reward those that place the greatest burden on the system. Just another form of welfare.

Yeah, and if it is born on January 1, they don't get it. How much did it cost you last year?

 

[whodeycin85]

Slow down. You're not focusing on what I am saying.

Taking responsibility for a life is not only economic. Far more encompassing than that.

I am not talking about abortions when a woman's life is endangered. My comment is regarding the forcing of a risk upon a woman that has the potential to kill her.

There simply is no debate that pregnancy alone forces a woman to accept risks to her health up to and including death. There is also no debate that pregnancy forces a woman to accept complete responsibility for the health and well being of the fetus. In your scenario I am killing you, but your existence does not pose a danger to my health like a fetus does to a woman nor I am burdened with the responsibility of your health and well being like you want to burden a woman with.

As for your car analogy. There is no law forcing me to drive, correct?

So it's "potential" harm of the pregnancy (which was a result of a choice), is that your position?

 

[ClearwaterVol]

So it's "potential" harm of the pregnancy (which was a result of a choice), is that your position?

my primary position is based upon rights.

 

[RikidyBones]

I believe that up to a point the rights of the woman (the realized life) trump that of the fetus. I don't believe that a woman should be required to undergo dangers of pregnancy without her consent.

She consents when she has sex. Because that the purpose of sex. Reproduction. It's the only thing that causes pregnancy

 

[RikidyBones]

Need SSN for Child Tax Credit and must have live birth to get SSN. You can use HSAs and FSAs for tax efficient pregnancy medical expenses..

Not true. We got both of our kids SSN prior to their birth.

But the tax credit is post birth. I'm ok with a deduction from the first official positive test at an OBGYN btw.

 

[Orangeslice13]

So it's "potential" harm of the pregnancy (which was a result of a choice), is that your position?

If it’s that big a deal and so scary I’d think some form of birth control to prevent getting pregnant might be appropriate

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Nobody should be able to claim anybody.

Absolutely. Why should anyone get tax reductions for putting more strain on the system?

 

[ClearwaterVol]

She consents when she has sex. Because that the purpose of sex. Reproduction. It's the only thing that causes pregnancy

Not the purpose of sex when I have it.

And consent can be withdrawn.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Yeah, and if it is born on January 1, they don't get it. How much did it cost you last year?

Why should I care how much it cost you? It's just one more thing I have to pay for that doesn't benefit me at all. You made it... You support it

 

[RikidyBones]

Not the purpose of sex when I have it.

And consent can be withdrawn.

That's the purpose of sex biologically. By doing the only act that causes pregnancy, you consent. You cannot withdraw consent from nature.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

That's the purpose of sex biologically. By doing the only act that causes pregnancy, you consent. You cannot withdraw consent from nature.

Sure you can. It has been proven millions of times.

 

[whodeycin85]

my primary position is based upon rights.

Gotcha

 

[TRUEFANVol]

Why should I care how much it cost you? It's just one more thing I have to pay for that doesn't benefit me at all. You made it... You support it

Me Me Me

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Me Me Me

Ironic

 

[TRUEFANVol]

Ironic

I don't think you know the meaning of that word

 

[Orangeslice13]

The constitution doesn’t grant rights. It affirms them.
Abortion isn’t listed as a right in the United States Construction.
SCOTUS corrected an error and sent this issue back to the states where it belongs.

If that fact is a problem for you then you can always attempt to amend the constitution. It’s been done before

 

[ClearwaterVol]

The constitution doesn’t grant rights. It affirms them.
Abortion isn’t listed as a right in the United States Construction.
SCOTUS corrected an error and sent this issue back to the states where it belongs.

If that fact is a problem for you then you can always attempt to amend the constitution. It’s been done before

Not a fact. It's an opinion. And those vary on this issue.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Not a fact. It's an opinion. And those vary on this issue.

Show me “abortion” in the US Constitution. I have a copy here.
It’s not covered. Fact

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Show me “abortion” in the US Constitution. I have a copy here.
It’s not covered. Fact

Opinion. And they vary. Interpretation of the words and their application to various situations vary.

 

[Orangeslice13]

 

[Orangeslice13]

Opinion. And they vary. Interpretation of the words and their application to various situations vary.

SCOTUS
Says otherwise. But hey keep crying about it.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I can pick all sorts of random things and say I have a right to them. I can say I have right to a soda larger than 20oz. That’s my opinion. The constitution doesn’t cover that. That’s a fact

 

[ClearwaterVol]

SCOTUS
Says otherwise. But hey keep crying about it.

And there still seems to be a lot of disagreement about it. As I said, opinions vary.

 

[0nelilreb]

Not a fact. It's an opinion. And those vary on this issue.

When Jefferson was writing the constitution, do you think he thought even once , that the central government should be deciding for everyone if aborting a baby on purpose , should be considered in the constitution as a protected right ? Two things people either forget or ignore … 1) the colonies were here first , they created government . The constitution was written so that government they were creating couldn’t take away the rights of the colonies / states to self govern. (2). We don’t live in a democracy .

 

[DonjoVol]

You've been missing out. A 33 year old bartender was trying to educate me on IUDs and then he disappeared. Along with @OHvol40 who proclaims to be in the medical field.

And then Huff is using studies from the 90s and in Maryland to spread fear about women dying from homicide due to pregnancy. It's impressive.

There are a lot of people in this forum who proclaim to be something. It's quite amazing really.

I see Huffines the Libertarian is at again.