Romney Voters

#78
#78
Slydell said:
Most of the politicians aren't. They forgot, like most, what's important when the $$ signs started appearing. FWT, I think 99% of politicians are worthless.
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Werid answer to his question.

Please tell me your voting for Johnson and not Obama.
 
#80
#80
PKT_VOL said:
So those that study philosophy are "skull fried"? I guess you would consider them inferior?



I understand what you technically did and did not say in the post I quoted. My retort was show what you are implying (either explicitly or implicitly) by your response to his post.

Again, feel free to explain where I am going wrong.
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Are you really this sensitive or are you just a douche? Not all that study philosophy are skull fried....only those that study philosophy and took several bong hits moments ago. Do what you want with your vote.... It's yours....
 
#82
#82
etmccreary said:
Funny thing is, when I was in college, I would have likely voted for Romney for the reason you wouldn't consider GJ:


It's taken me being out of college and in the 'real world' to decide that I will no longer vote for the lesser of two evils simply because nobody else is electable.
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Please let me correct a moment of anger. You speak like someone with not a lot to lose right now. You are 27 with a vast majority of your earning years ahead of you. I am on the backside of that with very few years left. Right now, I can't afford to literally throw a vote away. I have to vote for someone that has a gnats chance to win and at least promises (they aren't lies yet) that he will do everything possible to either lower or keep my taxes where they are now and his ideas will spur business growth and energy independence. Barry's won't and don't and GJ can't be elected this time around. I hope that I see the day that we have an informed public and we can put a libertarian or an independent in office. Until then, I have to vote for the guy that I feel will hurt me the least.

If Barry is reelected, I honestly anticipate losing my home, my savings, and any hope of retirement.
 
#83
#83
TNGlen said:
Please let me correct a moment of anger. You speak like someone with not a lot to lose right now. You are 27 with a vast majority of your earning years ahead of you. I am on the backside of that with very few years left. Right now, I can't afford to literally throw a vote away. I have to vote for someone that has a gnats chance to win and at least promises (they aren't lies yet) that he will do everything possible to either lower or keep my taxes where they are now and his ideas will spur business growth and energy independence. Barry's won't and don't and GJ can't be elected this time around. I hope that I see the day that we have an informed public and we can put a libertarian or an independent in office. Until then, I have to vote for the guy that I feel will hurt me the least.

If Barry is reelected, I honestly anticipate losing my home, my savings, and any hope of retirement.
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Maybe too personal, but why would those things likely happen, and why would it be different under Romney?

I can guarantee you the US will take some giant steps towards bankruptcy with either one of them.
 
#84
#84
Burhead said:
Voting with your conscience is not a worthless vote my friend.
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Carl Pickens said:
Voting for someone that has no chance in hell is a worthless vote
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In a time period when we were voting for say Bush I vs. Clinton, Burhead may have been right. Clinton is far from a socialist, he is just a liberal capitalist. He was a successful president because he just sat back, got the occasional servicing from ML, and did nothing. The Repub Congress dug him out of a big hole and he rode the dot.com bubble until it collapsed in late 1998. He was able to ride that into GBII and then the libs got to blame GBII with the recession. Now we are in a situation where we are looking at a massive increase in taxes for everyone except the bottom 45% or so, a loss of medical coverage on the order of the UK or Canada, underemployment being the new normal, you name it, we will have it. 23 trill in debt......this is probably the first "real" election that I have voted in since Carter Vs. Reagan. This one out weighs that election 100 to 1. So when you go to the polls and vote your conscience, make sure you consider the folks you are potentially putting out of work, the massive debt that you are piling on your kids and grandkids (or those of your friends if you don't have any), and the lower standard of living that we will have in this country that will never be recovered.

/end rant.
 
#85
#85
utvolpj said:
false. If it makes a change to the process for the next election then it's well worth it. Can't happen without votes
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You are assuming that there will be another election......with Barry at the helm, this country may be in such trouble that he can declare himself ruler in chief "until the crisis is over". You may never have a chance to vote him out. When the 47% become the 67%, we will be a socialist liberal country for the rest of your lifetime.
 
#86
#86
TNGlen said:
In a time period when we were voting for say Bush I vs. Clinton, Burhead may have been right. Clinton is far from a socialist, he is just a liberal capitalist. He was a successful president because he just sat back, got the occasional servicing from ML, and did nothing. The Repub Congress dug him out of a big hole and he rode the dot.com bubble until it collapsed in late 1998. He was able to ride that into GBII and then the libs got to blame GBII with the recession. Now we are in a situation where we are looking at a massive increase in taxes for everyone except the bottom 45% or so, a loss of medical coverage on the order of the UK or Canada, underemployment being the new normal, you name it, we will have it. 23 trill in debt......this is probably the first "real" election that I have voted in since Carter Vs. Reagan. This one out weighs that election 100 to 1. So when you go to the polls and vote your conscience, make sure you consider the folks you are potentially putting out of work, the massive debt that you are piling on your kids and grandkids (or those of your friends if you don't have any), and the lower standard of living that we will have in this country that will never be recovered.

/end rant.
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LMAO....there are very few capitalists in government. He was a corporatist, just like Obama. Just like Romney.

People forget Clinton's administration really pushed for socialized medicine. Not the actions of a capitalist.
 
#87
#87
utvolpj said:
not true either. You need to stop dealing in absolutes
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I agree with you here. There are some incumbents worth it. Some need to not have a 2nd term. I agree with changing the process PJ, I'm just not going to change it this cycle.
 
#88
#88
GAVol said:
I get the premise, but i dont know how realistic that really is. Dems didn't change when Nader cost them 2000. Repubs didn't change when Perot cost them 92.
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I believe the issue is sustainability. There is some with Paul/Johnson/Lib party but there really wasn't much behind Nader or Perot. JMO but I see it as something that could still be around in 2016

TNGlen said:
I agree with you here. There are some incumbents worth it. Some need to not have a 2nd term. I agree with changing the process PJ, I'm just not going to change it this cycle.
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and that will always be the excuse. Has to start at some point
 
#89
#89
n_huffhines said:
Maybe too personal, but why would those things likely happen, and why would it be different under Romney?

I can guarantee you the US will take some giant steps towards bankruptcy with either one of them.
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Because it would come under "cool story bro" and really is TMI. However, it is real. When people in my field and my wife's field are losing jobs right and left and are slinging lettuce at Kroger's for a job, bankruptcy is generally right around the corner.
 
#90
#90
Plus with a strong enough showing and some legal luck, we could finally see a move towards permanent additional seats at the presidential debates.
 
#91
#91
TNGlen said:
Because it would come under "cool story bro" and really is TMI. However, it is real. When people in my field and my wife's field are losing jobs right and left and are slinging lettuce at Kroger's for a job, bankruptcy is generally right around the corner.
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then change fields. When your only options are your current job or stockboy at a grocery store you could have issues no matter who is the Pres
 
#92
#92
TNGlen said:
You are assuming that there will be another election......with Barry at the helm, this country may be in such trouble that he can declare himself ruler in chief "until the crisis is over". You may never have a chance to vote him out. When the 47% become the 67%, we will be a socialist liberal country for the rest of your lifetime.
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The American public is too arrogant to believe this could ever happen.. It is possible... Devalue the dollar and the chain reaction starts. That's about all it would take... First to get cut off are the free loaders... Marshal law and complete chaos would be next...
 
#94
#94
From some of the things I've read in the newspapers (of course a lot of people don't trust the media) some of the African-American pastors and their congregations don't like that Obama is backing gay marriages and have told their congregation not to vote. Wrong, vote against Obama if you're against his policies. While I'm not too fond of either candidate, I'm against more things that Obama is for gay marriage and his Obamacare (which even charges those who don't get some type of medical care a fee-not right!) While there are "NO FREEBIES" people should be able to afford some type of healthcare. Illeagal aliens shouldn't get free health care either. I saw something on TV recently that Wal-Mart isn't givi9ng their employees and benefits for health care and forcing them to buy out of their own pocket. Wal-Mart is the largest retail dealer in the country. Also our daughter is telling us that Target is doing the same thing starting the same program in 2013. Doesn't sound fair to me.
 
#95
#95
TennFan said:
From some of the things I've read in the newspapers (of course a lot of people don't trust the media) some of the African-American pastors and their congregations don't like that Obama is backing gay marriages and have told their congregation not to vote. Wrong, vote against Obama if you're against his policies. While I'm not too fond of either candidate, I'm against more things that Obama is for gay marriage and his Obamacare (which even charges those who don't get some type of medical care a fee-not right!) While there are "NO FREEBIES" people should be able to afford some type of healthcare. Illeagal aliens shouldn't get free health care either. I saw something on TV recently that Wal-Mart isn't givi9ng their employees and benefits for health care and forcing them to buy out of their own pocket. Wal-Mart is the largest retail dealer in the country. Also our daughter is telling us that Target is doing the same thing starting the same program in 2013. Doesn't sound fair to me.
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It's a job killing bill all the way around... Bad policy from a administration that's made a habit of it... Correction. It's almost as if it's on purpose.....
 
#96
#96
utvolpj said:
then change fields. When your only options are your current job or stockboy at a grocery store you could have issues no matter who is the Pres
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Typical response from someone who is comfortable in their position in life or way too young to even comprehend what it is you are saying. PJ I love you man (no homo), but don't make statements that you have no business making. You need to take a good look at the technical job market right now in Knoxville. The ease with which you make that statement is quite frankly insulting. I could "do something different", however, for many of us the distance to bankruptcy with one hiccup from Barry is much closer than the time it takes to change professions. What would you ask an MD to do in lieu of what they do now?
 
#97
#97
I guess many of the posters here don't understand that the economy in Oak Ridge and to some extent Knoxville is on shaky ground. Cut the funding to Y12 and the surrounding laboratories, lay off thousands of engineers and other high paying jobs, and see how quick Knoxville drops into a recession. We are fortunate here that it hasn't happened already.
 
#98
#98
TNGlen said:
Typical response from someone who is comfortable in their position in life or way too young to even comprehend what it is you are saying. PJ I love you man (no homo), but don't make statements that you have no business making. You need to take a good look at the technical job market right now in Knoxville. The ease with which you make that statement is quite frankly insulting. I could "do something different", however, for many of us the distance to bankruptcy with one hiccup from Barry is much closer than the time it takes to change professions. What would you ask an MD to do in lieu of what they do now?
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I am comfortable but I also have more than one marketable skill. If your only fallback option is to stock shelves then you probably shouldn't be that comfortable.

I still contend that if you have a good paying job now and are that close to bankruptcy then you should have made better choices. Even in the better years my wife and I made the choice to rid ourselves of debt so we would be ok if something happened or we wanted to change direction. We could still easily make our mortgage if forced to stock shelves. We also made those choices before bringing kids into the discussion

I also have no concern about the tech job market in one city. There are plenty of tech jobs out there for qualified people. My company had trouble finding people to take the jobs we had open. If your skills are not in demand at your current location then you still have options

a Dr could still go into research, medical sales, etc.
 
#99
#99
utvolpj said:
I am comfortable but I also have more than one marketable skill. If your only fallback option is to stock shelves then you probably shouldn't be that comfortable.

I still contend that if you have a good paying job now and are that close to bankruptcy then you should have made better choices. Even in the better years my wife and I made the choice to rid ourselves of debt so we would be ok if something happened or we wanted to change direction. We could still easily make our mortgage if forced to stock shelves. We also made those choices before bringing kids into the discussion

I also have no concern about the tech job market in one city. There are plenty of tech jobs out there for qualified people. My company had trouble finding people to take the jobs we had open. If your skills are not in demand at your current location then you still have options

a Dr could still go into research, medical sales, etc.
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Remember what they say about ASS-U-ME PJ. We can make the mortgage payments stocking shelves no problem. My kids are nearly out of school and are paid for. The point I am making is that when you start UNDER EMPLOYING a vast number of your higher percentage tax payers, you cycle into what we have now. Anything that I do other than what I am well qualified to do is under employment. I am sorry, but that is the way that it is. I could manage a Kroger's and still be under employed (and believe me, I could manage a Kroger's now). I don't necessarily fear bankruptcy as I do the loss of savings and no retirement. However, the fiscal cliff that this country is getting ready to face is going to make the bankruptcy numbers go right through the ceiling. 3 years from now when Barry puts in his single payer medical system, where is the money going to come from? Or do you just enjoy living in Greece.

When you have never faced a particular condition, the only thing you can do is make uninformed comments on that condition. Stare it in the face for real sometime and then let me know. Because until you have been there and back, you aren't qualified to say anything about it.
 
#100
#100
yeah I'm the first to make assumptions

TNGlen said:
Typical response from someone who is comfortable in their position in life or way too young to even comprehend what it is you are saying.
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the idea of "under employed" is a farce IMO. Someone is employed at what their skills dictate and the market demands
 
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