Romney's IRA: Investment gurus can you explain this to me?

I don't think the next guy is going to have any choice but to reform either entitlements or the tax code or both.

It's like CEOs that kept caving to the unions ad destroying large US manufacturers. It was always easier to kick the can down the road and let someone else deal with the tornado they knew was coming.

All of our career pol types are happier perpetuating their gig and then their idiotic party's grasp than they are making our country, the wealthiest ever, actually solvent.
 
I don't think the next guy is going to have any choice but to reform either entitlements or the tax code or both.

What will be the catalyst for reform of entitlements and the tax code? The rest of the world still can't get enough of our debt. The dollar is still the reserve currency. Until those two facts change, we are the guy with the most fingers at the leper colony and the world is our banker. I'm looking for the straw that breaks the camel's back.
 
It doesn't make sense for a guy to run on platform that the economy is in the crapper and his CHIEF qualification is that he has been successful in business, but then to shy away from disclosing any details about his success.

Does not compute.
 
It doesn't make sense for a guy to run on platform that the economy is in the crapper and his CHIEF qualification is that he has been successful in business, but then to shy away from disclosing any details about his success.

Does not compute.

you have to see his tax returns to see his successes?
 
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This is similar to the birth certificate issue...which is to say...completely stupid. Let's talk about healthcare, Afghanistan, and economics....

You know, **** that matters.
 
This is similar to the birth certificate issue...which is to say...completely stupid. Let's talk about healthcare, Afghanistan, and economics....

You know, **** that matters.

Public opinion is running against Obama on those three issues that matter.

That is why LG is working so hard on this "completely stupid" issue.
 
Nobody *****es when Buffett does it and he's the biggest of the beneficiaries.
Buffet has said he could pay zero taxes if he chose and it would be completely legal because of the loopholes that exist. He described it as creating a holding company, don't remember all the details. Wouldn't surprise me if it was true.

But again he's not running for President either.
 
Buffet has said he could pay zero taxes if he chose and it would be completely legal because of the loopholes that exist. He described it as creating a holding company, don't remember all the details. Wouldn't surprise me if it was true.

But again he's not running for President either.

Buffet is a clown on tax issues. Trust me, if there's a way to set things up and pay an effective rate of zero, he's doing it . . . just like anybody else with a good accountant would.
 
Buffet is a clown on tax issues. Trust me, if there's a way to set things up and pay an effective rate of zero, he's doing it . . . just like anybody else with a good accountant would.

The man is the 2nd richest man in the world, what does he need more money for? He's planning o giving most of it away.
 
The man is the 2nd richest man in the world, what does he need more money for? He's planning o giving most of it away.

OK

Why would that compel you to think he wants to send one dime more than required to the government?
 
OK

Why would that compel you to think he wants to send one dime more than required to the government?

To me Buffet has a lot of credibility. For one he's not running for office, and the other he's in his 80's. At this stage of his life I don't think he feels the need to prove anything about his business acumen. I think he genuininely believes the tax code needs to be revised.




Buffet doesn't run the companies he purchases. He buys them based on their financial balance sheets. Obviously he would have a huge say in how things were run if he were so inclined to get involved in their operation. But from what I read he doesn't meddle he lets the people running the company continue to run them.
 
good quote from Buffet:

Buffett stated that he only paid 19% of his income for 2006 ($48.1 million) in total federal taxes (due to their being from dividends & capital gains), while his employees paid 33% of theirs, despite making much less money.[138] “How can this be fair?” Buffett asked, regarding how little he pays in taxes compared to his employees. "How can this be right?" He also added:
"There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning."[139][140] Buffett favors the inheritance tax, saying that repealing it would be like "choosing the 2020 Olympic team by picking the eldest sons of the gold-medal winners in the 2000 Olympics".[141] In 2007, Buffett testified before the Senate and urged them to preserve the estate tax so as to avoid a plutocracy.[142] Some critics have argued that Buffett (through Berkshire Hathaway) has a personal interest in the continuation of the estate tax, since Berkshire Hathaway has benefited from the estate tax in past business dealings and had developed and marketed insurance policies to protect policy holders against future estate tax payments.[143] Buffett believes government should not be in the business of gambling, or legalizing casinos, calling it a tax on ignorance.[144]
Warren Buffett - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Buffet has zero credibility. One of the primary reasons Obama didn't sign the Keystone XL deal was because if he had, Buffet's stake in a large rail operation would have taken a huge financial hit.
 
Same old flawed argument pretending a capital gain is the same thing as earned income and ignoring the obvious fact that the the money producing the capital gain has already been taxed.
 
Same old flawed argument pretending a capital gain is the same thing as earned income and ignoring the obvious fact that the the money producing the capital gain has already been taxed.

what does Buffet stand to gain by coming out on issues like this? he's not running for public office. he's the 2nd wealthiest man in the world already. what would be his motivation other then he truly believes what he is saying?
 
what does Buffet stand to gain by coming out on issues like this? he's not running for public office. he's the 2nd wealthiest man in the world already. what would be his motivation other then he truly believes what he is saying?

I don't know what his motivation is. I just think the entire premise is wrong.
 
Same old flawed argument pretending a capital gain is the same thing as earned income and ignoring the obvious fact that the the money producing the capital gain has already been taxed.

I don't know what his motivation is. I just think the entire premise is wrong.

Buffet only takes a salary of around 175k i think as Head of Berkshire. So he pays a personal income tax on that but his profits from Berkshire which are in the millions and millions he paid around 13% he said in 2006. I'm not following your argument it is taxed twice. His tax liabilility on his gains from his holdings in Berkshire how is it taxed twice?
 
what does Buffet stand to gain by coming out on issues like this? he's not running for public office. he's the 2nd wealthiest man in the world already. what would be his motivation other then he truly believes what he is saying?

he doesn't want some young 25 year old hotshot to come along behind him and equal what he's done. You build the treehouse then pull up the ladder behind you so no one can join you in the rarefied air.

Buffet knows full well that if he wants to pay more he can 1) take a larger salary and/or 2) cut a check for an additional 20% to the government. He won't do either.
 
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People seem to like what Romney did in his IRA at a 2-1 clip. Ruh-roh for Team Obama

Poll: Romney preferred over Obama to handle the economy

By more than 2-1, 63%-29%, those surveyed say Romney's background in business, including his tenure at the private equity firm Bain Capital, would cause him to make good decisions, not bad ones, in dealing with the nation's economic problems over the next four years.

The findings raise questions about Obama's strategy of targeting Bain's record in outsourcing jobs and hammering Romney for refusing to commit to releasing more than two years of his tax returns. Instead, Americans seem focused on the economy, where disappointment with the fragile recovery and the 8.2% unemployment rate are costing the president.
 
People seem to like what Romney did in his IRA at a 2-1 clip. Ruh-roh for Team Obama

Poll: Romney preferred over Obama to handle the economy


LOL @ drastic restatement of the poll.

The poll was not asking whether people approved of the way Romney turned $450,00 into $102 million, tax deferred. Had it asked that and got that result, you'd be on to something.

But of course that's not what it asked.

What it does suggest, I would have to admit, is that Romney's refusal to give up his tax returns hasn't hurt him nearly as much as one might have expected.

But then again its early, as you guys like to say. Let's see how that issue goes over in the debates a few weeks before the election and in the ads that follow.
 
Makes sense to me.
I think Romney's handlers need to stop telling him what to say and let him speak frankly.

The handlers have the candidates scared to say anything not scripted in every POTUS election.
 

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