Ron Paul Can't Win

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It’s fascinating to imagine what kind of political havoc might break loose if Paul did finish No. 1 in Iowa. The way that the media and the pundits alike do their polling clearly would have to be re-evaluated.

Journalists would get their comeuppance. That, alone, is enough to make some people root for Paul in Iowa.

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I'm not sure what the overall theme of this thread is, but I'm going to butt in regardless. Ron Paul will not be the next President. Not even a remote possibility. He's too polarizing. If he runs as a 3rd party candidate, Barack Obama will be reelected.
 
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The Ron Mexico said:
I'm not sure what the overall theme of this thread is, but I'm going to butt in regardless. Ron Paul will not be the next President. Not even a remote possibility. He's too polarizing. If he runs as a 3rd party candidate, Barack Obama will be reelected.
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Doesn't matter if it's Obama or Newt/Romney as the next president. Either way this country will get four more years of ****ty presidency. Ron Paul is the only current GOP nominee I would vote for.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
Doesn't matter if it's Obama or Newt/Romney as the next president. Either way this country will get four more years of ****ty presidency. Ron Paul is the only current GOP nominee I would vote for.
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I like Huntsman but he will be history after NH.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
As a Paul supporter, I watched your video; not sure where the outrage is. She seemed right on almost everything. No venom. I would say that most of his supporters would not vote for Obama though.
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To put it in perspective, I havent heard one pundit say, "Huntsman/Santorum/Bachman have no chance of winning, so their supporters shouldn't even bother voting in the Iowa caucus". Paul has a better shot of winning than any of those 3. Also, to say that a Paul voter is likely to vote for Obama if Paul isnt nominated is pure bravo sierra. And lastly, before Paul began his surge a few weeks ago, the MSM line was that Paul would not be able to get enough caucus voters ot overwhelm the evangelicals and mainstream caucus goers. Now, this woman is saying that actual caucus voters only make up a small part of the population.

I'll be waiting for a pundit to tell Santorum or Bachman supporters to just stay home because they have no shot at getting the nomination.
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The Ron Mexico said:
I'm not sure what the overall theme of this thread is, but I'm going to butt in regardless. Ron Paul will not be the next President. Not even a remote possibility. He's too polarizing. If he runs as a 3rd party candidate, Barack Obama will be reelected.
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You're close to the overall theme.

However, many of us contend that if he ISN'T the R nominee, then Obama will be reelected.

Who's your guy and why?
 
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He won't be the nominee, I can just about guarantee that.

Conservatives would stay home if Paul is the nominee, if Paul got the nomination Obama would have an easy win.
 
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MystifyingVol said:
You're close to the overall theme.

However, many of us contend that if he ISN'T the R nominee, then Obama will be reelected. L

Who's your guy and why?
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Go back one page and you'll see my Huntsman support. He was the governor of the most conservative state in the Union and doesn't play the silly gotcha games of Newt, Romney and Perry in debates. I also agree with him on virtually all of his social stances. That's the short version.
 
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volfanjustin said:
He won't be the nominee, I can just about guarantee that.

Conservatives would stay home if Paul is the nominee, if Paul got the nomination Obama would have an easy win.
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No they won't, they'll go vote for the R regardless of who it is, that's one of the reasons we're in this mess. Which gives us another Obama term.

Who's going to stay home or vote 3rd party are the Paul supporters the I's and the Dem's that *might* have crossed Party lines to vote for Paul.

You neocons in this thread are kidding yourselves if you think differently.
 
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MystifyingVol said:
No they won't, they'll go vote for the R regardless of who it is, that's one of the reasons we're in this mess. Which gives us another Obama term.

Who's going to stay home or vote 3rd party are the Paul supporters the I's and the Dem's that *might* have crossed Party lines to vote for Paul.

You neocons in this thread are kidding yourselves if you think differently.
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I can promise you this conservative and many others I know will sit home if Paul is the nominee.

No one is worried about losing an election if the Paul supporters stay home or vote I.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
To put it in perspective, I havent heard one pundit say, "Huntsman/Santorum/Bachman have no chance of winning, so their supporters shouldn't even bother voting in the Iowa caucus". Paul has a better shot of winning than any of those 3. Also, to say that a Paul voter is likely to vote for Obama if Paul isnt nominated is pure bravo sierra. And lastly, before Paul began his surge a few weeks ago, the MSM line was that Paul would not be able to get enough caucus voters ot overwhelm the evangelicals and mainstream caucus goers. Now, this woman is saying that actual caucus voters only make up a small part of the population.

I'll be waiting for a pundit to tell Santorum or Bachman supporters to just stay home because they have no shot at getting the nomination.
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To be fair, she didn't exactly say that. She said that Ron Paul and his supporters should not be apart of the GOP primaries. She has a good point. Ron Paul is not a Republican. He is a Libertarian. Most of his supporter are either libertarian, closet GOP libertarians, or independents. He is only using the GOP to gain publicity for his cause. It's a smart move. However, the hardcore GOPer's have every right to call him out on not being a true Republican.

He isn't going to win the GOP nomination. Everybody knows that. However, they are scared to death of his rise in popularity. The more popular he gets, the more likely he will eventually run as an independent or third party candidate. This will hurt the GOP big time in the presidential election. That is what they are truly cared sh*tless of...as well they should be.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Remove the threat of more sanctions on Iran????
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Okay, so we lift sanctions on Iran, but Europe and other countries around the world dont. What then? Lifting sanctions means we buy oil from Iran and allow $$ Wires from their country into the US. You okay with filling up your tank with Iran Oil and allowing money to be wired from Iran to anyone in the US? You do realize that they are about to execute US citizens for trespassing?

So week 1 we have a heavily mined Straight and $150 Oil. Whats RP going to do? Month 1 we would have foreign tankers sunk, major oil spills and $200 Oil, Whats RP going to do? 6 Months in we would have $250 Oil. Meanwhile Iran is still selling oil to China for $250, Europe is falling into a depression and the US is in a recession. Whats RP going to do?

Iran has been pulling 4 Million Barrels of oil out of the ground at $1 and selling it for $100 everyday for the past decade. You dont think they have any weapons that can close the Straight?
 
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PKT_VOL said:
To be fair, she didn't exactly say that. She said that Ron Paul and his supporters should not be apart of the GOP primaries. She has a good point. Ron Paul is not a Republican. He is a Libertarian. Most of his supporter are either libertarian, closet GOP libertarians, or independents. He is only using the GOP to gain publicity for his cause. It's a smart move. However, the hardcore GOPer's have every right to call him out on not being a true Republican.

He isn't going to win the GOP nomination. Everybody knows that. However, they are scared to death of his rise in popularity. The more popular he gets, the more likely he will eventually run as an independent or third party candidate. This will hurt the GOP big time in the presidential election. That is what they are truly cared sh*tless of...as well they should be.
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Just to be clear, Paul not being a true Republican is a good thing.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Valid point.

But I've always said I respected Paul's intellectual honesty. I may not agree with him, but he is more a thinker, less a politician. And I simply like the fact that he earnestly broadens the debate and has the big picture in mind.

Honestly, I think he makes a better philosopher than candidate.
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You just summed up my opinion exactly.
 
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volfanjustin said:
I see Paul as left to Obama on foreign policy. I am pretty much ok with his domestic policies except thinking all drugs should be legal.
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Again, congress will still have the power to declare war. Why are you guys not understand that?

Also, Paul's position on drugs is that the Federal govt needs to get out of the way and allow the states to decide on the issue. Are you against the 10th Amendment?
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