Ron Paul Can't Win

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volinbham said:
Please, tons are college kids are Paul supporters because he wants to legalize weed and stick it to the man (government). Libertarianism appeals to every adolescent who doesn't like being told what to do.
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Actually I don't know anybody like that, really (I realize that's a sampling bias). I was in college when I discovered RP, and I had never smoked pot. Same with my best friend. That was like 6 years ago, though. That statement may represent the newest wave of college students, but I think you sell them short.

This is the fastest growing political organization for college students, and while they largely support RP, they don't fit your stereotype.

Students For Liberty
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
or you could say that they are the smartest to make a decision as to who will run this country the best
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I wouldn't say that at all. Very little changes if MR gets in the WH. That's all they care about. If you want to revert this country back to what it was intended to be then he's not the best choice
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Go pull up Romney Facebook page. Its full of racist RP rants. Its really sad
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I'm not seeing what you are talking about, and "racist" does not fit the constituency at all. Even if I saw what you are talking about, I probably wouldn't believe they were RP supporters. Why would racists support the one guy that's gonna get all the minorities out of prison?
 
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RP is not racist, imo.

Stupidly allowed something with his name on it to get co-opted by racists, yes. Himself racist? no.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
No, we were playing the "Generalities Game". You know, the one where RP supporters are the most informed, and Romeny supporters are the most afraid of change, etc etc
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Romney supporters are not afraid of change, that's ridiculous comment. I think it pretty evident that probably 95 % of Romney's support is simply allegiance to whoever the establishment has picked to try to beat Obama.

Romney support is almost exclusively about getting Obama out. It is not about putting Romney in.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Romney supporters are not afraid of change, that's ridiculous comment. I think it pretty evident that probably 95 % of Romney's support is simply allegiance to whoever the establishment has picked to try to beat Obama.

Romney support is almost exclusively about getting Obama out. It is not about putting Romney in.
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and the only reason Obama was elected was because "he's not W". Seemed to work for the Dems when you run against someone that is very unpopular
 
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lawgator1 said:
Romney supporters are not afraid of change, that's ridiculous comment. I think it pretty evident that probably 95 % of Romney's support is simply allegiance to whoever the establishment has picked to try to beat Obama.

Romney support is almost exclusively about getting Obama out. It is not about putting Romney in.
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Somewhat true . . . But I think that's the case in every election involving an incumbent President. Reagan and Clinton got elected that way. Heck, Obama got elected merely because he wasn't Republican.
 
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nbakerld said:
Actually I don't know anybody like that, really (I realize that's a sampling bias). I was in college when I discovered RP, and I had never smoked pot. Same with my best friend. That was like 6 years ago, though. That statement may represent the newest wave of college students, but I think you sell them short.

This is the fastest growing political organization for college students, and while they largely support RP, they don't fit your stereotype.

Students For Liberty
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Look, everyone thinks their view is the most intellectually superior and well thought out. For every "thinking" libertarian there is someone that just likes the position because it's the anti-authority default.

Likewise with Republicans and Democrats. All groups think they have the most reasoned viewed and in truth all groups have deep thinkers and sheep.
 
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utvolpj said:
and the only reason Obama was elected was because "he's not W". Seemed to work for the Dems when you run against someone that is very unpopular
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GAVol said:
Somewhat true . . . But I think that's the case in every election involving an incumbent President. Reagan and Clinton got elected that way. Heck, Obama got elected merely because he wasn't Republican.
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Disagree somewhat.

Obama was not running against an incumbent president. Yes, Bush was divisive (although by the end pretty much even the Republicans had had enough of his ineffectiveness). There was a lot of energy in support of Obama, in earnest. (Support, by the way, that will be down significantly given that he couldn't perpetuate the fire).

The day Obama won was the day that the establishment candidate for the GOP (i.e. Romney) got the nod because it has been simply intolerable to the right side of the GOP to have a progressive in the WH.

That's perfectly fine. And as I say Obama's own base is pretty lackluster going into this. He has a lot to do to restore people's faith in him. Not sure he can.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Yea him running businesses and getting a Law Degree and MBA at Harvard at the same time are really crappy things to have on your resume
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who cares about that really when he has no new ideas? What will dramatically change if he's in the WH? What freedoms will be restored? What real spending cuts will be implemented?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Disagree somewhat.

Obama was not running against an incumbent president. Yes, Bush was divisive (although by the end pretty much even the Republicans had had enough of his ineffectiveness). There was a lot of energy in support of Obama, in earnest. (Support, by the way, that will be down significantly given that he couldn't perpetuate the fire).

The day Obama won was the day that the establishment candidate for the GOP (i.e. Romney) got the nod because it has been simply intolerable to the right side of the GOP to have a progressive in the WH.

That's perfectly fine. And as I say Obama's own base is pretty lackluster going into this. He has a lot to do to restore people's faith in him. Not sure he can.
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What you are leaving out is how much of the enthusiasm for Obama was about him being a different kind of politician.

There is considerable buyer's remorse from the middle that went his way. His base will support him but the middle is looking for an Obama alternative - just as they looked for a Bush 2.0 alternative last time.
 
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utvolpj said:
who cares about that really when he has no new ideas? What will dramatically change if he's in the WH? What freedoms will be restored? What real spending cuts will be implemented?
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I could make a list a mile long, and I don't particularly even like the guy.
 
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GAVol said:
I could make a list a mile long, and I don't particularly even like the guy.
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for Romney? Would love to hear even a few. I don't view things like ending Obamacare as a real cut. Things like killing the Patriot Act or the military detention bill would be changes but not new ones
 
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I think SS/Medicare reform are more likely under Romney than under Obama.

I think an "all energy" Energy Policy is more likely.

I can see changes at NLRB, EPA that will be more business friendly.

Substantial tax reform (flattening and broadening) is more likely.

(just a start).

Hell, if he just undid what Obama has done he'd be one of the great ones!
 
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utvolpj said:
for Romney? Would love to hear even a few. I don't view things like ending Obamacare as a real cut. Things like killing the Patriot Act or the military detention bill would be changes but not new ones
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Sane judicial appointments, Entitlement and tax reform, getting rid of czars, a clear economic policy and killing the CFPB are enough for me.
 
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