Ron Paul Can't Win

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#802
MG1968 said:
don't recall Reagan ever favoring drug legalization/decriminalization, nor do I recall him being an isolationist

where did Paul stand on Reagan's aggressive engagement with the Soviet Union? Pershing II missiles? Does Paul support arming Israel or even Saudi Arabia with Patriot missile batteries?
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He became isolationist with regard to the Middle East. He learned his lesson.

In rhetoric they are very similar, but in action Ronald Reagan turned out be a big spender. Ron Paul has a lot in common with Ronald Reagan as he is perceived by conservatives.
 
#803
#803
volfanjustin said:
He has ran as a R when running for Congress and has when he has ran for President. Why would he switch now?
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Like I said, you may get your wish. He's a libertarian within the GOP tent. Just like you have social conservatives (Santorum/Bachman) and Rockefeller Republicans (Romney) in the GOP tent. But don't worry. One of two things will happen after the GOP convention. Paul will either run as an independent or he will sit home. If he stays home, the GOP will lose about 15-20% of the votes they need to beat Obama. I can't imagine a Paul voter turning to Romney or Santorum in November.

4 more years of Obama.
 
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nbakerld said:
He became isolationist with regard to the Middle East. He learned his lesson.

In rhetoric they are very similar, but in action Ronald Reagan turned out be a big spender. Ron Paul has a lot in common with Ronald Reagan as he is perceived by conservatives.
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yeah, he learned that unarmed marines are soft targets just like everybody else

was that lesson ignored when he bombed Libya?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Like I said, you may get your wish. He's a libertarian within the GOP tent. Just like you have social conservatives (Santorum/Bachman) and Rockefeller Republicans (Romney) in the GOP tent. But don't worry. One of two things will happen after the GOP convention. Paul will either run as an independent or he will sit home. If he stays home, the GOP will lose about 15-20% of the votes they need to beat Obama. I can't imagine a Paul voter turning to Romney or Santorum in November.

4 more years of Obama.
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So he loses the R nomination so he runs as an I? Seems pretty selfish and petty if you ask me. My guess is most RP voters would not vote either way, if the eventual nominee loses to Barry I promise it won't have anything to do with Ron Paul.
 
#806
#806
volfanjustin said:
So he loses the R nomination so he runs as an I? Seems pretty selfish and petty if you ask me. My guess is most RP voters would not vote either way, if the eventual nominee loses to Barry I promise it won't have anything to do with Ron Paul.
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What else is he supposed to do then?
 
#807
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What else is he supposed to do then?
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Well that means he lost the nomination, so do what every other candidate does when they lose. Go back to what they were doing before they ran. Go back to the House of Reps, go write another book, anything but run as an I.
 
#809
#809
volfanjustin said:
Well that means he lost the nomination, so do what every other candidate does when they lose. Go back to what they were doing before they ran. Go back to the House of Reps, go write another book, anything but run as an I.
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Or, most people go 3rd party. He is a grown man. He can do what he wants to do.

This is still America, right? Why do you care if he runs or not as an independent? I would think you would be happy that you would have gotten ride of the guy that is spouting off all of this Constitutional/non-interventionist crap.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Or, most people go 3rd party. He is a grown man. He can do what he wants to do.

This is still America, right? Why do you care if he runs or not as an independent? I would think you would be happy that you would have gotten ride of the guy that is spouting off all of this Constitutional/non-interventionist crap.
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He can do whatever he wants, does not matter to me. If he wants to get embarrassed in the general election also, go right ahead.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Or, most people go 3rd party. He is a grown man. He can do what he wants to do.

This is still America, right? Why do you care if he runs or not as an independent? I would think you would be happy that you would have gotten ride of the guy that is spouting off all of this Constitutional/non-interventionist crap.
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RP fans continue to run with the strawman that if you're not behind RP 100% then you are anti-Constitution/freedom and must be a warmonger.

that's a load of crap
 
#813
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MG1968 said:
RP fans continue to run with the strawman that if you're not behind RP 100% then you are anti-Constitution/freedom and must be a warmonger.

that's a load of crap
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Right; however, if you support Santorum you definitely are those things.
 
#817
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MG1968 said:
RP fans continue to run with the strawman that if you're not behind RP 100% then you are anti-Constitution/freedom and must be a warmonger.

that's a load of crap
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Oh no... I've never said that or made that accusation. Speaking for myself, let me make it perfectly clear where I stand.

My stance is that none of the other candidates go far enough in their defense of the Constitution or go far enough in their economic policies. As far as foreign policy goes, I just don't think most of the other candidates are even open to the idea of an alternative outside of what we have been doing the last 20 years in the ME. Most of the other candidates also don't really want to change the status quo as much as Paul is ready to is willing to do.

This country needs a SIGNIFICANT change in our foreign and domestic policy. I just don't see any of the other guys willing to admit these changes are needed.
 
#818
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MG1968 said:
I don't support Santorum, at all.
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The the only other viable option left is Romney. And he is GWB 2.0.

How did that turn out?

Oh, I forgot... Huntsman is the only other anti-Romney candidate left. He's Ron Paul lite. But even his position on a few issues is to extreme for some of the mainstream neo-cons.
 
#819
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volfanjustin said:
Well that means he lost the nomination, so do what every other candidate does when they lose. Go back to what they were doing before they ran. Go back to the House of Reps, go write another book, anything but run as an I.
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did you advocate the same for a guy like Lieberman?
 
#820
#820
MG1968 said:
yeah, he learned that unarmed marines are soft targets just like everybody else

was that lesson ignored when he bombed Libya?
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So he cut and ran and got troops off the ground in Lebanon in 1983, and then once bombed Libya in 1986? Doesn't really sound like the kind of foreign policy we are used to from the Neocons. Sounds closer to RP.
 
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utvolpj said:
did you advocate the same for a guy like Lieberman?
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There is a difference, everyone knew Lieberman would likely win the general if he ran as an I, no way does Paul or any other I win the general election for POTUS. At best Paul gets 2% of the vote and has no real impact, at worst he get's 10% and splits the vote enough to give Barry a second term. If Paul had a great chance of winning as a 3rd party candidate he would be running as such already.
 
#822
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MG1968 said:
RP fans continue to run with the strawman that if you're not behind RP 100% then you are anti-Constitution/freedom and must be a warmonger.

that's a load of crap
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I don't believe that you are anti-freedom, but I believe you support candidates that are anti-constitution/freedom, and are warmongers.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The the only other viable option left is Romney. And he is GWB 2.0.

How did that turn out?

Oh, I forgot... Huntsman is the only other anti-Romney candidate left. He's Ron Paul lite. But even his position on a few issues is to extreme for some of the mainstream neo-cons.
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what I would like to see from RP is some ads that go after Obama with the same ferocity he's gone after Newt and other candidates.

I know he's trying secure the GOP nomination, but I'm sick and tired of the internecine warfare that's giving leftists like LG a woody every time they're able to post a thread about the GOP's civil war.
 
#824
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volfanjustin said:
There is a difference, everyone knew Lieberman would likely win the general if he ran as an I, no way does Paul or any other I win the general election for POTUS. At best Paul gets 2% of the vote and has no real impact, at worst he get's 10% and splits the vote enough to give Barry a second term. If Paul had a great chance of winning as a 3rd party candidate he would be running as such already.
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the only difference is whether you support the candidate or not. JL has somehow convinced the Repubs he's on their side and they go to bat for him. Sorry you just proved your stance is weak
 
#825
#825
utvolpj said:
the only difference is whether you support the candidate or not. JL has somehow convinced the Repubs he's on their side and they go to bat for him. Sorry you just proved your stance is weak
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Maybe you should read it again because it's clear you didn't comprehend what I wrote.
 
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