Roy Williams' mistake shows he's human by Dick Vitale

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PACKERVOL said:
Vitale speaks before engaging what's left of his brain. Called the cookout a party. Kept comparing thje Des Bryant incident where the NCAA suspended him for a year to BP's. Yes, originally the same, but Bryant never came clean and said he lied. I/m sure that BP came clean because he knew what was coming. However, never once did DV mention that BP went back to the NCAA and confessed that I can remember. Yes he is a big mouth that doesn't know what he's talking about half the time, but to go on and on and on about this on ESPN (national TV) doesn't help.
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Pearl's coming clean carries no weight.
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#27
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NYYVol said:
Pearl's coming clean carries no weight.
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Then neither does williams coming clean. Why not ban Williams from coaching for a year too. You hatophiles all
believe that a woman can be a little bit pregnant.:eek:lol:
 
#28
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knowthevols said:
Then neither does williams coming clean. Why not ban Williams from coaching for a year too. You hatophiles all
believe that a woman can be a little bit pregnant.:eek:lol:
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Our fanbase seriously needs to quit looking at others and comparing our transgressions to theirs. It's foolish to do so.
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#29
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hatvol96 said:
Did Williams deny approving the graduation gifts or tell the 'AA he didn't remember coaching at Kansas? If not, it's an apples to aardvarks comparison.
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Clearly, the point of the OP is to show the hypocrisy of DV, not that the two offenses were related.

What is inferred from DV's column and your response is that any offense committed is okay and shouldn't be punished, as long as it is admitted to, but even the most minor offense (hosting a bbq with juniors, not seniors (which costs less than 400 dolllars mind you)) and lying to the 'AA about it is deserving of a year suspension or a show cause.
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
Clearly, the point of the OP is to show the hypocrisy of DV, not that the two offenses were related.
What is inferred from DV's column and your response is that any offense committed is okay and shouldn't be punished, as long as it is admitted to, but even the most minor offense (hosting a bbq with juniors, not seniors (which costs less than 400 dolllars mind you)) and lying to the 'AA about it is deserving of a year suspension or a show cause.
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Thank you for understanding the article. The reason for posting the article was not to defend Pearl.
 
#34
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
Many, not all, are in a hurry to bash Pearl any chance they get without actually reading or thinking.
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That's garbage. Trying to say that stances on two completely different situations is hypocrisy is just silly. It's like saying "Hat defends Larry Flynt's First Amendment rights but doesn't like the buffet at Golden Corral. He's a hypocrite."
 
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hatvol96 said:
That's garbage. Trying to say that stances on two completely different situations is hypocrisy is just silly. It's like saying "Hat defends Larry Flynt's First Amendment rights but doesn't like the buffet at Golden Corral. He's a hypocrite."
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which is more similar?

a.) dickie v thinks its okay that roy williams gives his outgoing players gifts of 400 dollars or less, but bruce pearl is smu football for having juniors at a bbq and lying about it.

b.) hat defends larry flynt's first amendment rights but doesn't like the buffet at golden corral.
 
#37
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hatvol96 said:
That's garbage. Trying to say that stances on two completely different situations is hypocrisy is just silly. It's like saying "Hat defends Larry Flynt's First Amendment rights but doesn't like the buffet at Golden Corral. He's a hypocrite."
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Good point about how Golden Corral sucks.
 
#38
#38
Mystifies me as to why we get so bent on Vitale's worldview. He is an old school basketball coach whose big mouth got him a TV gig. Old school basketball coaches view Pearl's big incident as treasonous. He's not going to be objective about the current incarnation of our coach. Deal with it.
 
#39
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For dv it has nothing to do with being old school when it comes to Pearl. He has an axe to grind because of the fallout dating all the way back to the illinois scandal and is now using his stump on the mothership to flame Pearl and it is fair to note, as the OP did, that this is more about Pearl than the violation itself.

Pearl knew this was coming because of the hard stance he took while at Iowa, but that doesn't make dv right in flaming him when he defends others. As an analyst and a writer, he owes to his profession a sense of objectivity, something he has lacked for as long as I can remember, yet he gets a pass from everyone in the profession. Why?
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#40
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
For dv it has nothing to do with being old school when it comes to Pearl. He has an axe to grind because of the fallout dating all the way back to the illinois scandal and is now using his stump on the mothership to flame Pearl and it is fair to note, as the OP did, that this is more about Pearl than the violation itself.

Pearl knew this was coming because of the hard stance he took while at Iowa, but that doesn't make dv right in flaming him when he defends others. As an analyst and a writer, he owes to his profession a sense of objectivity, something he has lacked for as long as I can remember, yet he gets a pass from everyone in the profession. Why?
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Because no one gives a crap what Vitale thinks. And the Roy WIlliams situation and Pearl situation are completely different and not comparable.
 
#41
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LawVol13 said:
And the Roy WIlliams situation and Pearl situation are completely different and not comparable.
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That's crazy talk. All 'AA violations are equivalent. You know, just like aggravated assault and jaywalking are the same thing. We all have to descend to that level of mouthbreathing moral relativity. It's essential to the defense of Saint Tanning Bed.
 
#42
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
For dv it has nothing to do with being old school when it comes to Pearl. He has an axe to grind because of the fallout dating all the way back to the illinois scandal and is now using his stump on the mothership to flame Pearl and it is fair to note, as the OP did, that this is more about Pearl than the violation itself.

Pearl knew this was coming because of the hard stance he took while at Iowa, but that doesn't make dv right in flaming him when he defends others. As an analyst and a writer, he owes to his profession a sense of objectivity, something he has lacked for as long as I can remember, yet he gets a pass from everyone in the profession. Why?
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Vitale was right about Bruce Pearl in 1990 and he's right about him now.
 
#43
#43
Pearl put himself in a situation for constant attacks by the media for the entire season. No point in trying to compare his situation to others, unless there are other coaches that lied to the NCAA for comparison. Roy Williams' situation has absolutely nothing to do with the Pearl situation.
 
#44
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BasketvolsFan said:
Pearl put himself in a situation for constant attacks by the media for the entire season. No point in trying to compare his situation to others, unless there are other coaches that lied to the NCAA for comparison. Roy Williams' situation has absolutely nothing to do with the Pearl situation.
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again, and for the last time, the point of this thread was not show that roy williams and bruce pearl screwed up in the same ways. It is to show that dickie v is a hypocrite.
 
#46
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
again, and for the last time, the point of this thread was not show that roy williams and bruce pearl screwed up in the same ways. It is to show that dickie v is a hypocrite.
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Remind me again if it's Bruce or Vitale that has constantly held himself out as some paragon of morality and the guy that turned Illinois in because it was "the right thing to do." That's right. It was Pearl. He's the hypocrite.
 
#47
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hatvol96 said:
No, you tried to modify it to fit your Pearl slobbering agenda. He's a snitch, an adulterer, and a liar. Those aren't opinions, they're fact. Deal with it. He's scum. Always has been, always will be.
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I've never known a person that supported something so strongly, yet hated its leader so passionately.

You must be all sorts of conflicted. Why even support the team? They are all a product of their master. You have an allegiance to the school? Then support the school and the decisions it makes. If you don't like them, do something about it. How you ask? Stop renewing your season tickets, that will send a message.

You know basketball, have a law degree and probably a decent practice going, go volunteer with the compliance office and do some pro bono hours so maybe you can keep problems like this from happening again.

Quit whining on the message boards and do something about it. The more you payout to go games and then spew your tired Pearl hatred on message boards, the more credibility you lose. IMO.
 
#48
#48
GoBigOrangeVols said:
I've never known a person that supported something so strongly, yet hated its leader so passionately.

You must be all sorts of conflicted. Why even support the team? They are all a product of their master. You have an allegiance to the school? Then support the school and the decisions it makes. If you don't like them, do something about it. How you ask? Stop renewing your season tickets, that will send a message.

You know basketball, have a law degree and probably a decent practice going, go volunteer with the compliance office and do some pro bono hours so maybe you can keep problems like this from happening again.

Quit whining on the message boards and do something about it. The more you payout to go games and then spew your tired Pearl hatred on message boards, the more credibility you lose. IMO.
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Great lecture. You want to know how you keep something like this from happening again? Get rid of the people that are intentionally breaking the rules. We could have had John Roberts in the compliance office, and it wouldn't have a damn bit of difference. In case you didn't know, Pearl intentionally broke the rules. It wasn't a matter of failure to understand them.
 
#49
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
I've never known a person that supported something so strongly, yet hated its leader so passionately.

You must be all sorts of conflicted. Why even support the team? They are all a product of their master. You have an allegiance to the school? Then support the school and the decisions it makes. If you don't like them, do something about it. How you ask? Stop renewing your season tickets, that will send a message.

You know basketball, have a law degree and probably a decent practice going, go volunteer with the compliance office and do some pro bono hours so maybe you can keep problems like this from happening again.

Quit whining on the message boards and do something about it. The more you payout to go games and then spew your tired Pearl hatred on message boards, the more credibility you lose. IMO.
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As hard as it is for many on here to grasp, it is possible to be a strong supporter of UT basketball and not be happy with the coach. I have supported UT basketball for many years, yet there have been several coaches I didn't like. Suggesting that fans of the program can do something about the decisions of the administration of UT is sheer stupidity. Suggesting that you stop going to games and watching the sport you love is even more stupid.
 
#50
#50
Any way Dickie V can plug the Broken Egg, he will. You Roy Williams is human and humans like to eat breakfast at the Broken Egg. Yum yum.
 
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