Roy Williams' mistake shows he's human by Dick Vitale

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GoBigOrangeVols said:
You must be all sorts of conflicted.
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Not at all. I see Pearl the same way I saw Jerry Green and Phil Fulmer. They're just guys passing through. It's like Marty Brennaman told Junior Griffey when he started crying about how hard the Reds' radio guys were on him for not playing hard: "I was here before you got here, I'm here now, and I'll be here a Hell of a long time after you are gone." Pearl's a transient blip in time. I'm going to be there regardless who the coach is.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Not at all. I see Pearl the same way I saw Jerry Green and Phil Fulmer. They're just guys passing through. It's like Marty Brennaman told Junior Griffey when he started crying about how hard the Reds' radio guys were on him for not playing hard: "I was here before you got here, I'm here now, and I'll be here a Hell of a long time after you are gone." Pearl's a transient blip in time. I'm going to be there regardless who the coach is.
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Out of curiosity, who was the last UT coach in any relevant sport that had your full support?

I've been on this site a few years and I'm pretty sure you've been inflammatory towards them all.

As for Vitale, he had a good act. Unfortunately it’s played out and over. He just isn’t willing to go away yet and will eventually stumble like all geezers do and get fired in humility.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Out of curiosity, who was the last UT coach in any relevant sport that had your full support?

I've been on this site a few years and I'm pretty sure you've been inflammatory towards them all.

As for Vitale, he had a good act. Unfortunately it’s played out and over. He just isn’t willing to go away yet and will eventually stumble like all geezers do and get fired in humility.
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I'd like to see examples of me being inflammatory regarding Lane Kiffin.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Out of curiosity, who was the last UT coach in any relevant sport that had your full support?
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Leaving Kiffin's short tenure out of it, the answer would be O'Neill. I'd been around the game long enough to know Green and Peterson were incompetent fools and Pearl is a phony charlatian. Fulmer was always a pious oaf and Dooley is a reach.
 
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hatvol96 said:
That's crazy talk. All 'AA violations are equivalent. You know, just like aggravated assault and jaywalking are the same thing. We all have to descend to that level of mouthbreathing moral relativity. It's essential to the defense of Saint Tanning Bed.
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Agreed. Kind of like turning in a school believed to be paying players is the same as having a barbecue.
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LawVol13 said:
Great lecture. You want to know how you keep something like this from happening again? Get rid of the people that are intentionally breaking the rules. We could have had John Roberts in the compliance office, and it wouldn't have a damn bit of difference. In case you didn't know, Pearl intentionally broke the rules. It wasn't a matter of failure to understand them.
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Get rid of coaches who intentionally break the rules? Or get rid of coaches who lie to the NCAA?
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Fingers said:
Agreed. Kind of like turning in a school believed to be paying players is the same as having a barbecue.
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When the lie occurred, the lie became the infraction. Didn't matter if it was a barbecue or whatever else.
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
I've never known a person that supported something so strongly, yet hated its leader so passionately.

You must be all sorts of conflicted. Why even support the team? They are all a product of their master. You have an allegiance to the school? Then support the school and the decisions it makes. If you don't like them, do something about it. How you ask? Stop renewing your season tickets, that will send a message.

You know basketball, have a law degree and probably a decent practice going, go volunteer with the compliance office and do some pro bono hours so maybe you can keep problems like this from happening again.

Quit whining on the message boards and do something about it. The more you payout to go games and then spew your tired Pearl hatred on message boards, the more credibility you lose. IMO.
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wow.
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The only reason I started a thread on Vitale the other day was he seemed pretty relentless to me, holy as thou. That said what he did and what Pearl did are 100% different. I really don't expect Pearl to be back, I mean I think the penalty will be so severe Hamilton won't have a choice. It's not perjury in courtroom but it may as well be I mean it's like telling a lie to a judge and being caught you just don't get locked for it. The NCAA is the judge , Pearl is guilty, set an example, pretty simple.
 
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Fingers said:
Get rid of coaches who intentionally break the rules? Or get rid of coaches who lie to the NCAA?
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So, what the Hell's the difference. Lying to the NCAA is intentionally breaking the rules.
 
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LawVol13 said:
So, what the Hell's the difference. Lying to the NCAA is intentionally breaking the rules.
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I'm just trying to clarify from the above post if anyone thinks a coach should be fired for minor recruiting violations. I thought it was worded pretty clearly.
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Fingers said:
I'm just trying to clarify from the above post if anyone thinks a coach should be fired for minor recruiting violations. I thought it was worded pretty clearly.
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No. but as I pointed out to you, the recruiting violations are a non-issue now because of the lying.
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NYYVol said:
No. but as I pointed out to you, the recruiting violations are a non-issue now because of the lying.
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I'm pointing out to you that the recruiting violations were always a non-issue (which is why the lie was such a stupid one).
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LawVol13 said:
Ok? Everyone with an IQ above 40 already knows that.
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Then assuming your IQ is over 40, you didn't need the "because" in your post above.

I agree, but you will have to ask NYYVol about his IQ. It was his post I was trying to clarify about getting rid of coaches that break the rules.
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hatvol96 said:
Leaving Kiffin's short tenure out of it, the answer would be O'Neill. I'd been around the game long enough to know Green and Peterson were incompetent fools and Pearl is a phony charlatian. Fulmer was always a pious oaf and Dooley is a reach.
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Calling Pearl a phony charlatan in the same post saying Kiffin was your favorite UT coach in recent history is a joke right?

You may not have made disparaging remarks about Kiffin, but you sure missed a golden opportunity. The guy was a lousy coach and PR nightmare. Not to mention the acusations of "the ladies" being around and the hole he was digging himself in the compliance office.

You citing O'Neill is interesting too. I thought you prided yourself on putting winning at the top of requirements for a coach. Outside of two glorious seasons at Marquette, O'Neill sucks. Putting your personal relationship, if you have one aside, it's hard to see anything positive about O'Neill's tenure here.

But I asked for your list, and you gave it. So thanks.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Calling Pearl a phony charlatan in the same post saying Kiffin was your favorite UT coach in recent history is a joke right?

You may not have made disparaging remarks about Kiffin, but you sure missed a golden opportunity. The guy was a lousy coach and PR nightmare. Not to mention the acusations of "the ladies" being around and the hole he was digging himself in the compliance office.

You citing O'Neill is interesting too. I thought you prided yourself on putting winning at the top of requirements for a coach. Outside of two glorious seasons at Marquette, O'Neill sucks. Putting your personal relationship, if you have one aside, it's hard to see anything positive about O'Neill's tenure here.

But I asked for your list, and you gave it. So thanks.
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Kiffin never struck me as a guy that claimed any type of high character or morality or church talk. We all knew he was an outsider from the start and was hired to win.

For real? He handed Green an Elite 8 team.
 
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JZVOL said:
Kiffin never struck me as a guy that claimed any type of high character or morality or church talk. We all knew he was an outsider from the start and was hired to win.

For real? He handed Green an Elite 8 team.
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Kevin assembled some players. He couldn't coach them up a lick though. Keeping games in the 40's was not winning games or fans.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Kevin assembled some players. He couldn't coach them up a lick though. Keeping games in the 40's was not winning games or fans.
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Shane Carnes
Damon Johnson
Shane Williams
Etdrick Bohannon
Alico Dunk
Steve Hamer
Jason Moore
Kevin Whitted

Damon Johnson
Shane Williams
Aaron Green
Steve Hamer
Torrey Harris
Antonio Harris
Rashard Lee
Scott Moore
Maurice Robertson
Brandon Wharton

KO couldn't win with these guys? Shocking.
 
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or these guys:

C.J. Black Freshman 6-8 255
Tony Brock Freshman 6-2 180
Vegas Davis Freshman 6-3 215
Aaron Green Sophomore 6-2 200
Antonio Harris Sophomore 6-3 195
Torrey Harris Sophomore 6-10 255
Charles Hathaway Freshman 6-10 265
Cornelius Jackson Freshman 6-4 200
DaShay Jones Freshman 6-2 190
Rashard Lee Sophomore 6-6 205
Scott Moore Sophomore 6-11 255
Maurice Robertson Sophomore 6-5 215
Anthony Sewell Sophomore 5-10 175
Brandon Wharton Sophomore 6-3 190
 
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How many years did he coach Hathaway, Black, Haislip, Yarbrough and Tony Harris?
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Kevin assembled some players. He couldn't coach them up a lick though. Keeping games in the 40's was not winning games or fans.
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Yeah, because trying to run with the team he inherited would have been brilliant. Getting beat 95-70 every night is so much better than actually going into the last five minutes of games with a chance. If a fan is stupid enough to have wanted to see that roster try to play uptempo, I wish they had been run over by a bus on their way to the arena.
 
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