Roy Williams' mistake shows he's human by Dick Vitale

#77
#77
JZVOL said:
Kiffin never struck me as a guy that claimed any type of high character or morality or church talk. We all knew he was an outsider from the start and was hired to win.
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Exactly. Hard to be a charlatain if you aren't pontificating.
 
#78
#78
UT IE 95 said:
So the only thing separating Kevin and a winning record was Tony Harris? Come on now, get serious.
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If you know that little about basketball, I can just go ahead and ignore you. That means you're stupid enough to think Jerry Green was a good coach. That, coupled with you trying to say a couple of years ago that Pearl was on Bill Self's level and that Cal couldn't win big in the SEC, means nothing you say is anything I would even consider taking seriously.
 
#80
#80
UT IE 95 said:
So the only thing separating Kevin and a winning record was Tony Harris? Come on now, get serious.
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Good point. It's not like having a competent point guard makes much difference. Look how easily North Carolina has kept rolling without Ty Lawson. Haven't missed a beat.
 
#81
#81
hatvol96 said:
Yeah, because trying to run with the team he inherited would have been brilliant. Getting beat 95-70 every night is so much better than actually going into the last five minutes of games with a chance. If a fan is stupid enough to have wanted to see that roster try to play uptempo, I wish they had been run over by a bus on their way to the arena.
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Nice try. Never said anything about playing up-tempo. But the girl-style version of high school slow down was stupid and boring. Getting beat 80-70 is just like losing 45-38. Except only scoring 35 points in a game is embarrassing.

Losing 3 out of four by these scores was a low point in Vols modern era history. Thanks Kevin.
40-74 Kentucky
41-73 South Carolina
35-43 Auburn
 
#82
#82
UT IE 95 said:
Nice try. Never said anything about playing up-tempo. But the girl-style version of high school slow down was stupid and boring. Getting beat 80-70 is just like losing 45-38. Except only scoring 35 points in a game is embarrassing.

Losing 3 out of four by these scores was a low point in Vols modern era history. Thanks Kevin.
40-74 Kentucky
41-73 South Carolina
35-43 Auburn
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No way those teams could average 70.

Boring or not, it was our best and only option.
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#83
#83
You think some of those teams could score 70? I was too young to remember any details really but with those rosters I highly doubt they had the ability to score that many points.
 
#84
#84
JZVOL said:
You think some of those teams could score 70? I was too young to remember any details really but with those rosters I highly doubt they had the ability to score that many points.
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They could stumble upon it. But averaging it was not going to happen.
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#85
#85
hatvol96 said:
If you know that little about basketball, I can just go ahead and ignore you. That means you're stupid enough to think Jerry Green was a good coach. That, coupled with you trying to say a couple of years ago that Pearl was on Bill Self's level and that Cal couldn't win big in the SEC, means nothing you say is anything I would even consider taking seriously.
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You're the one saying O'Neill and Kiffin are your favorite Vol coaches in recent times.

O'Neill was such a great coach he couldn't recruit a competent point guard in three years to save his job. Even though you post all that kept Kev from winning was a Tony Harris-type player.

As for prognostications - you claiming Billy Gillispie would own the SEC and Greg Oden was going to be an NBA superstar really worked out.
 
#86
#86
UT IE 95 said:
You're the one saying O'Neill and Kiffin are your favorite Vol coaches in recent times.

O'Neill was such a great coach he couldn't recruit a competent point guard in three years to save his job. Even though you post all that kept Kev from winning was a Tony Harris-type player.

As for prognostications - you claiming Billy Gillispie would own the SEC and Greg Oden was going to be an NBA superstar really worked out.
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Who signed Tony Harris? Kevin O'Neill. Also, I don't know what this "save his job" idiocy is about. Not like KO was fired.

Those two predictions worked out about as well as your calls of Fulmer winning more SEC titles and Bob Stoops' demise.
 
#87
#87
JZVOL said:
You think some of those teams could score 70? I was too young to remember any details really but with those rosters I highly doubt they had the ability to score that many points.
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Sure they could. They were just coached to hold the ball and throw up a shot as the clock expired. Run back, play defense, then drain the clock again.
 
#89
#89
They couldn't break 70 because of their offensive tempo. Despite their lack of offensive ability, they had no problem giving up 70+ on the defensive side.
 
#91
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UT IE 95 said:
They couldn't break 70 because of their offensive tempo. Despite their lack of offensive ability, they had no problem giving up 70+ on the defensive side.
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Do you not think any coach worth a crap is going to do what he feels gives his players the best chance to win?

Do you really think the best chance with that roster was to crank up the tempo on offense?
 
#92
#92
JZVOL said:
Do you not think any coach worth a crap is going to do what he feels gives his players the best chance to win?

Do you really think the best chance with that roster was to crank up the tempo on offense?
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Not crank it up. Never said that.

Clearly playing at a snails pace and setting a play with 10 seconds was not working. But, give him credit, ol Kev rode it all season long to a losing record his last season.
 
#93
#93
JZVOL said:
Do you not think any coach worth a crap is going to do what he feels gives his players the best chance to win?

Do you really think the best chance with that roster was to crank up the tempo on offense?
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Are you trying to say that running without a competent point guard and with wings who handle the ball like it's on fire isn't sound strategy?
 
#94
#94
UT IE 95 said:
Not crank it up. Never said that.

Clearly playing at a snails pace and setting a play with 10 seconds was not working. But, give him credit, ol Kev rode it all season long to a losing record his last season.
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Wasn't working compared to what? The five games the roster he inherited won the year before he arrived?
 
#95
#95
UT IE 95 said:
Not crank it up. Never said that.

Clearly playing at a snails pace and setting a play with 10 seconds was not working. But, give him credit, ol Kev rode it all season long to a losing record his last season.
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Doesn't Pearl do that fairly often?

Please explain what you would do different to achieve a winning record with those rosters.
 
#96
#96
hatvol96 said:
Wasn't working compared to what? The five games the roster he inherited won the year before he arrived?
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I'm not even looking at Kevin's first two years. He inherited a mess. In his third year he had his players playing his style. It sucked.

I've let you turn this into some sort of scary debate on the coaching abilities of O'Neill. All I wanted to know was who your UT favorite coaches are/were. You answered it with Kiffin and O'Neill. Again, thanks for answering the question honestly.
 
#97
#97
UT IE 95 said:
I'm not even looking at Kevin's first two years. He inherited a mess. In his third year he had his players playing his style. It sucked.

I've let you turn this into some sort of scary debate on the coaching abilities of O'Neill. All I wanted to know was who your UT favorite coaches are/were. You answered it with Kiffin and O'Neill. Again, thanks for answering the question honestly.
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So you are saying the guys he recruited coming off a 5-22 team he inherited weren't top prospects? Again, not that surprising.
 
#98
#98
JZVOL said:
Doesn't Pearl do that fairly often?

Please explain what you would do different to achieve a winning record with those rosters.
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I'm not a coach. I'm a fan.

In year three O'Neill had his players playing his style. They won 11 games and only scored 35 points in a conference game. It didn't work.
 
#99
#99
JZVOL said:
So you are saying the guys he recruited coming off a 5-22 team he inherited weren't top prospects? Again, not that surprising.
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Look, I'm not concerned about O'Neill. I just find it interesting that he is one of hatvol's favorite coaches considering his teams were terrible. Regardless of the reasons they were terrible.

He preaches about winning being all that matters, yet his favorite coaches never had a winning conference record at UT.
 
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