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#101
#101
BigZiti09 said:
Yeah, I'd love to waltz into march with having 2 quality wins. One in December and one in November.
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You didn't answer the question that I asked him?

It's 2 quality wins that go on our resume, the committee has made it pretty clear they don't differentiate which months those games were.
 
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#103
#103
BigZiti09 said:
I guess. But so far it's the same thing we've seen past two years and I really don't believe it will change. This team will likely continue on the same maddening path it has been on for 2+ years. The only difference is that this team may end up on the right side of the bubble.

Hope I'm wrong and we turned the corner and the 2nd half vs AM was an aberration.
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Go 2-1 over the next 3 and I'll be pretty optimistic.
 
#104
#104
Not that it makes us feel any better about our team, but unless something changes, the bubble appears it might be smaller this year. Some conferences that steal at-large bids from time to time are not faring well. There is a chance that the Mountain West and West Coast could just be a one bid league. Also, while the AAC and Atlantic 10 have a chance to get 5 in, the Big East could only get 3. Georgetown does not have a great resume.

Long way to go though.
 
#105
#105
VolGee4 said:
Not that it makes us feel any better about our team, but unless something changes, the bubble appears it might be smaller this year. Some conferences that steal at-large bids from time to time are not faring well. There is a chance that the Mountain West and West Coast could just be a one bid league. Also, while the AAC and Atlantic 10 have a chance to get 5 in, the Big East could only get 3. Georgetown does not have a great resume.

Long way to go though.
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Agree. As you said it's not some ringing endorsement of this team, but I think it would take a pretty epic fail to miss the dance.

We played a touch OOC schedule which is going to benefit us tremendously. Where in past years we needed probably 21+ regular season wins, not so much this year IMO.
 
#106
#106
bleedingTNorange said:
It's why I say avoiding bad losses is more important than adding quality wins IMO.

Lose to UF x2, @UK, @Bama, @Mizz and Ark but win the others and I think we are in a decent spot.

I wouldn't trade a loss to South Carolina for a win against Florida, jmo though.
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Honestly if we lose all those theres no chance we get in.
 
#107
#107
iKrager said:
Honestly if we lose all those theres no chance we get in.
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I agree.

Last year when questioned why Tennessee didn't get in despite their good run at the end of the season.

They basically said we went on a great run, but they couldn't reward us just because we won. Ultimately, we didn't beat anybody impressive.
 
#109
#109
At 20-11, this fanbase is going to be pissed and rightfully so. Personally, I think that is exactly where we are headed. And I think we will get there with at least a couple more head scratching losses.
 
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#110
#110
BigZiti09 said:
At 20-11, this fanbase is going to be pissed and rightfully so. Personally, I think that is exactly where we are headed. And I think we will get there with at least a couple more head scratching losses.
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I'm not debating if that's a justifiable record or not, I'm simply stating that we would still have a chance of making the dance with that record entering the SECT.

That would be a better position than we were in last year entering the SECT and most people thought we had a decent chance to make it last year at that point in the season.

I'm not singling you out, just speaking in general, but why do people lump both thoughts together. Just because I am giving my opinion on what it would take to make the tournament is hardly the same thing as me saying it's some great accomplishment to squeak in. The 2 are very different topics, and one shouldn't dictate the other IMO.
 
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#111
#111
bleedingTNorange said:
I'm not debating if that's a justifiable record or not, I'm simply stating that we would still have a chance of making the dance with that record entering the SECT.

That would be a better position than we were in last year entering the SECT and most people thought we had a decent chance to make it last year at that point in the season.
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Oh, I agree with you.

My point is just that UT fans are going to be pissed if this plays out the way I see it. I hope I'm wrong. I'll be rooting for the Vols til the bitter end.
 
#112
#112
BigZiti09 said:
Oh, I agree with you.

My point is just that UT fans are going to be pissed if this plays out the way I see it. I hope I'm wrong. I'll be rooting for the Vols til the bitter end.
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Oh I agree they will be, and they should be, heck I will be. That wasn't what I was discussing though, was just simply talking about our tourney chances.
 
#113
#113
BlueHalo said:
I agree.

Last year when questioned why Tennessee didn't get in despite their good run at the end of the season.

They basically said we went on a great run, but they couldn't reward us just because we won. Ultimately, we didn't beat anybody impressive.
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We beat a ranked UK team, a #8 UF team, and a Missouri team that got in. We beat 3 solid teams.

But, the two UGA losses hurt us. Also, if we schedule two RPI 150 teams instead of UVA and Memphis, we probably get in.
 
#114
#114
bleedingTNorange said:
Oh I agree they will be, and they should be, heck I will be. That wasn't what I was discussing though, was just simply talking about our tourney chances.
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Yeah, I was just switching directions with it.

I just keep thinking about how ugly it's going to get around here when we limp into March and get in the tourney as a 10 or 11 seed and then lose the first NCAA tourney game. It will be a brutal off season. Brutal.
 
#115
#115
bleedingTNorange said:
I'm not debating if that's a justifiable record or not, I'm simply stating that we would still have a chance of making the dance with that record entering the SECT.

That would be a better position than we were in last year entering the SECT and most people thought we had a decent chance to make it last year at that point in the season.

I'm not singling you out, just speaking in general, but why do people lump both thoughts together. Just because I am giving my opinion on what it would take to make the tournament is hardly the same thing as me saying it's some great accomplishment to squeak in. The 2 are very different topics, and one shouldn't dictate the other IMO.
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We can discuss whether this team has underachieved all day long, and most would say they have. But, at this point, let's just get in the Dance. I would prefer not to be on the bubble, but I would rather watch us be a part of it than not. Anything can happen once you get there.
 
#116
#116
BigZiti09 said:
Yeah, I was just switching directions with it.

I just keep thinking about how ugly it's going to get around here when we limp into March and get in the tourney as a 10 or 11 seed and then lose the first NCAA tourney game. It will be a brutal off season. Brutal.
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Be even worse when Hart gives Martin a bonus, a raise and an extension for that performance.
 
#118
#118
VolGee4 said:
We can discuss whether this team has underachieved all day long, and most would say they have. But, at this point, let's just get in the Dance. I would prefer not to be on the bubble, but I would rather watch us be a part of it than not. Anything can happen once you get there.
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Right. Which is also why I'm not running around who my pitchfork right now, or saying that no matter if we sneak into the tourney should Martin be fired.

If we win tomorrow we go from being a fringe bubble team, to firmly into the dance, and firmly in the race for the SEC title.

And if we make it in as a bubble team, but get hot and play some good ball and make it to the sweet 16, I would be a pretty happy fan.

Jmo
 
#120
#120
bleedingTNorange said:
At 20-11 (11-7) in your opinion we have to win 2 SECT games to have a chance?
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Yes. Yes . Yes. Yes. Yes


I have answered this same question many times for you.

And my opinion is only one game different from yours as you have said we would need to win 1 game in the tourney after going 11-7
 
#124
#124
bleedingTNorange said:
I would be shocked if he didn't get all 3 if he makes the dance.

Which do you see as least likeliest?
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He's gonna get the bonus.

I can't make up my mind. I could see Hart using the raise as a way of not giving the extension but still showing confidence in your coach. I could see him extending him but saying he got a raise last year and not giving one this year.

If Hart really believes he will be firing Martin next spring, I don't see him extending him.
 
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#125
#125
BigZiti09 said:
He's gonna get the bonus.

I can't make up my mind. I could see Hart using the raise as a way of not giving the extension but still showing confidence in your coach. I could see him extending him but saying he got a raise last year and not giving one this year.

If Hart really believes he will be firing Martin next spring, I don't see him extending him.
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The most likely of the 3 for him not to get is the raise. You absolutely have to give him the extension, if you're not willing to then just fire him, which won't happen after a NCAA appearance. Martin still makes around 11th or 12th highest in the league, if he finishes top 4 for the 3rd straight year, and makes the dance....I'm sorry but he's deserving of a raise.
 
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