Rumors floating around Oxford

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VOLS85 said:
Why are we so gung ho on getting transfers and juco players? It has never worked to go after transfer players in an attempt to develop a solid roster. However, Pearl keeps doing it. Can't he just recruit kids out of high school and let them develop in his system?

Please don't try to validate your argument by saying that TSmith is a good indicator that it does work. He's a once in a blue moon transfer who should have been at UT in the first place.

JP is a bust considering his rivals ranking (and complete lack of a shot), B Maze is about what one would expect out of a three star kid out of high school who is a transfer player...
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did u not see this guy this year.... a beast.
 
#29
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Bassmanbruno said:
That fact that Tyler is 6'7 and plays PF but still lead his team in pretty much every stat (including assists) as a freshman makes him >> a small PG. Not to mention Ole Miss was missing 2 of their best 3 players so the guy had to step up.
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According to the numbers(and keeping in mind that Tyler had an extra year at Hargrave, which Terrico didnt)....

-they both played comparable minutes, tyler with the slight edge...33.7mpg to terrico's 30mpg

-Comparable points per game as well with tyler once again getting the sligh edge...14.9ppg to terrico's 13.7

-Rebounding obviously Tyler gets the edge but not by as much as you may think...4.9rpg to terrico's 3.4

-Assist to turnover Terrico has Tyler beat on that one...1.31 to 1.21 as/to

-3 point shooting Terrico has Tyler beat again obvioulsy...35% to 25%

So by the numbers pretty even, but once again keeping in mind that Tyler did have an extra year. Also, Tyler came in knowing that he was going to be starting and playing alot of minutes right away. Terrico came in and wasnt expected to do much more than give chris warren a breather. As i said the numbers are comparable, but if i had to chose to keep tyler on the team or get terrico i would say get terrico. This team is in desperate need of a PG which he is, now with that said you have to take something else into consideration. As i previously posted, Terrico would have to sit out a year therefore he would be coming in in 2010, along with josh selby, aaron craft, and daniel west still being here. Im not too sure that he would want to have to compete with that many people for a starting job, so i really dont see him transferring anywhere actually. BUT if he were to i would be more than happy to have him, the more the bettter.
 
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Then I'm glad you're not in charge of this team if you would take White over Tyler. You're not putting enough stock in the fact that White played on a terrible Ole Miss team this year.

Tyler is a combo player that can do so much more for his team match up wise and if a 1.31 assist/TO ratio is so much more important to your team than a 1.21 then have at it. Their numbers may have been similar - but there's no comparison here.
 
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Nm - no point in arguing if he honestly thinks the kid was better than Smith his freshman year. Sometimes numbers are pretty irrelevant and this is one of those occasions - you can watch the two players and hands down know one was better no matter what something on paper tells you. He has been able to bring a huge advantage to his team with his versatility.

Iowa wasn't that good of a team - but they did play in a league that puts the SEC to shame this past year - my main point was White was forced into those minutes and had to step up and score since his team had no other options - kinda like how Jodie Meeks wouldn't have averaged more than 20ppg if they had any decent options outside of PP this year.
 
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#33
#33
i agree that neither is clear cut better as freshman, your looking at tyler now though not the freshman at iowa. im sure you probably didnt watch him play at al that year actualy, al my pointwas was people were saying transfers arent worth it and tyler is a once in a million opportunity and i was simply pointing out that terrico is a ball player, much better than maze or prince, and closer to tyler smith thats all
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#34
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I watched Tyler at Iowa and paid pretty good attention to him actually because of his situation with him and Bruce back when he signed with us. He was third-team all Big 10 and was probably the 2nd or 3rd best freshman in the conference that year which had Oden in it I believe that year.

When you lead you team in steals/rebounding and are second in scoring/assists as a freshman PF you know you're pretty good. Especially the steals/assists stat.
 
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wasnt terrico white also 3rd team sec and all freshman and arguale freshman of the year. and terrico was 2nd in ppg min led the team in asts i believe was 2nd in steals and like 3rd in rpg and 1st as well in ast to t.o
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#36
#36
We're talking about the worst two year stretch the SEC has probably ever been in. Terrico White is also a freakin' PG not a 6'7 PF so how is the steal/assist stat impressive like it is with Tyler Smith?

Foty? If anyone voted for him if there was one then that is laughable. Green is twice the player he is, He is good but its obvious the other freshmen are better players - just don't receive the type of minutes that kid does because their team wasn't in such poor shape at his position. (Once again - the Jodie Meeks factor)

The fact that Terrico had comparable stats to Tyler just further proves how decimated that UM team was this year.
 
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#37
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its not like he jacked up 100 shots a game to boost his ppg, his fg% is higher than tylers was as a frosh. and your right hes a pg and he avg almost 4 rpg, thats impressive for a pg whether yur on a lousy team or not. ad as previously stated iowa was no freakin powerhouse while tyler was there.
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#38
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Bassmanbruno said:
Then I'm glad you're not in charge of this team if you would take White over Tyler. You're not putting enough stock in the fact that White played on a terrible Ole Miss team this year.

Tyler is a combo player that can do so much more for his team match up wise and if a 1.31 assist/TO ratio is so much more important to your team than a 1.21 then have at it. Their numbers may have been similar - but there's no comparison here.
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I agree that Tyler can do alot and right now is a superior player, but Terico White sure looked good dominating every perimeter defender we threw at him. I didn't say he was better or even as good as Smith as a Freshman, just that they were comparable as Freshman.
 
#39
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utbasketballloft said:
its not like he jacked up 100 shots a game to boost his ppg, his fg% is higher than tylers was as a frosh. and your right hes a pg and he avg almost 4 rpg, thats impressive for a pg whether yur on a lousy team or not. ad as previously stated iowa was no freakin powerhouse while tyler was there.
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Do you realize how much Ole Miss was missing this year? Seriously?

I never said he jacked up a lot of shots - he may have though - I'll check. But the point is he got WAY more opportunities than any of the other guys.

He was not as good as Tyler as a freshman.
 
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kiffinator13 said:
I agree that Tyler can do alot and right now is a superior player, but Terico White sure looked good dominating every perimeter defender we threw at him. I didn't say he was better or even as good as Smith as a Freshman, just that they were comparable as Freshman.
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What half-decent guard didn't look good against our perimeter defense?
 
#41
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White attempted nearly 400 shots (367). Only second to Huertas on the team.

The next closest player was at 214. He had way more opportunities.
 
#42
#42
and iowa was garbage so tyler got opportunities duh. why is the arguement your using only applying ti terrico but not tyler. thry both played on garbage teams, yea ole miss was missing alot but wtf does that matter, if the kid can play he can play. he wasnt playing against his own team he played against other fully stocked teams and tore them up. he put up those numbers WHILE PLAYING LESS TIME PR GAME THAN TYLER AS A FROSH.
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#43
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and how many did tyler take, and where does that rank on that iowa team???and be honest because i know the answer.
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#44
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utbasketballloft said:
wasnt terrico white also 3rd team sec and all freshman and arguale freshman of the year. and terrico was 2nd in ppg min led the team in asts i believe was 2nd in steals and like 3rd in rpg and 1st as well in ast to t.o
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Says on he was 6th in rebounding, 4th in steals, small edge over Huertas for assists, and his assist to turnover ratio was the best (outside Warren) but that isn't saying much (especially for a guard) considering basically all their team had a bad assist/TO ratio.
 
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utbasketballloft said:
and iowa was garbage so tyler got opportunities duh. why is the arguement your using only applying ti terrico but not tyler. thry both played on garbage teams, yea ole miss was missing alot but wtf does that matter, if the kid can play he can play. he wasnt playing against his own team he played against other fully stocked teams and tore them up. he put up those numbers WHILE PLAYING LESS TIME PR GAME THAN TYLER AS A FROSH.
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Um - no. Tyler wasn't starting or playing near as many minutes from the start but they did have about the same amount of minutes at the end. Tyler playing a a better Iowa team while White played in the garbage dump that is the SEC. Their record would have been a lot worse in a half decent conference.

Now you're just being dumb - where did I say White couldn't play? I said it laughable to even compare him to Tyler Smith as a freshman.
 
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#46
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Tyler: 110 assists White: 72 assists

Tyler: 44 steals White: 26 steals

Tyler: 128 FT attempted .742% made White: 78 attempted .628% made

Tyler: 5 rebound per game White: 3.4 rebounds per game

The only stat White was better at was his 3 point FG%. He also made 45 more threes but Tyler still had more points than him on the season even with those 45 extra threes. The minutes played were pretty much the same I believe - and Tyler was better defensively.

The first two stats are the most impressive considering he's a PF and White is the guard. White also didn't seem to get to the line too much. Tyler is/was very effective at that.

Tyler also played in a much, much better conference that year and that also has to be factored into the equation (I'm sure everyone would shoot a better % when you don't have to go against Greg Oden/Tom Izzo/Wisconsin's D/DJ White/etc. White didn't take it against the bigs like Varnado/Johnson and that was basically all in the SEC.

He was also a major game changer taking over games at times with his steals and monster slams at the other end for mo swings -and it is obvious to anyone who followed him that he was better. Whether his stats were better or not (which they were a bit better) you can just tell. I never said White couldn't play - but it is a stretch to compare him to TS as a freshman.
 
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#47
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how can you clearly say iowa of 06 was better than ole miss this year? you cant, they were both garbage. and wheres tylers numbers i thought you were getting those?
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#48
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utbasketballloft said:
how can you clearly say iowa of 06 was better than ole miss this year? you cant, they were both garbage. and wheres tylers numbers i thought you were getting those?
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Because they finished above .500 in a way better conference that year and had a better record overall? While Ole Miss had a losing record in the SEC?
 
#49
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tyler played 5 more minutes a game almost than terrico so in 5 minutes, add 2 ppg 1 rpg 1 apg. those are pretty modest additions to but jus to be safe. now add tose to his game averages and tell me wat you get.
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