Ryan (last) Day

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Vol in Buckeye Land said:
The pressure at OSU is far worse. This is a guy with a winning percentage over 88% who’s considered on the hotseat after going 11-1. A&M plays a tougher schedule, sure, but that also means you have multiple chances to prove yourself. In the minds of the fanbase, OSU plays a one-game season every year, and to them, he’s 0-3 over the last three seasons. Give those three Buckeye teams A&M’s schedule and they’re probably 11-1 or 12-0 every year, 9-3 at absolute worst, and the Aggie faithful are in bliss.
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Day isn't getting fired for 11-1. A vocal minority of their fans may complain. But they playoff is about to expand and OSU will likely be there even losing to Michigan going forward.

A&M is going to be a pressure cooker with the buyout they just paid and Texas entering the conference. They will want to win now.

OSU is way easier to recruit to, has more resources, and has an easier path to the playoff(even more so after expansion). It's just an objectively better job.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
Day isn't getting fired for 11-1. A vocal minority of their fans may complain. But they playoff is about to expand and OSU will likely be there even losing to Michigan going forward.

A&M is going to be a pressure cooker with the buyout they just paid and Texas entering the conference. They will want to win now.

OSU is way easier to recruit to, has more resources, and has an easier path to the playoff(even more so after expansion). It's just an objectively better job.
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Ohio St doesn't have more resources, but I agree that it is the better job. Easier path to postseason and less BS to deal with.
 
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05_never_again said:
That's just one measure of resources. A&M has donors willing to stroke $165m checks to fire a coach. I'm not sure if there is another school in the country besides Texas who would do that if in the same position.
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It's insane when a billionaire or two start to flash money.

I'm not sure Bezos could turn Princeton into a powerhouse because of academics but Warren Buffett, who is much smarter than most billionaires even in giving his cash away, could make Nebraska the biggest NIL school in America and never feel a thing.

Texas money always has been the "no use in having money if you don't show it" kind of folks.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
aTm has more booster support, though, and are only behind the University of Nike (Oregon.)
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05_never_again said:
That's just one measure of resources. A&M has donors willing to stroke $165m checks to fire a coach. I'm not sure if there is another school in the country besides Texas who would do that if in the same position.
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A&M got 313 million more in booster donations 2005 - 2022. 60 million more per year over that same time frame would be just over a Billion dollars. I think I'll take Ohio State
 
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JCHateSteve said:
A&M got 313 million more in booster donations 2005 - 2022. 60 million more per year over that same time frame would be just over a Billion dollars. I think I'll take Ohio State
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Ohio State is DEFINITELY the better job. It's far more stable because the donors and admins pretty much don't meddle at all.

Urban, if he wanted, would still be coaching there if they had managed to keep his assistant coach's domestic assault case and Urban's handling of it under wraps. He was 82-9 or something.

It's a top 5 job, at least. Day will have to completely run it off the rails to get fired there.
 
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OSU fans want to fire Day? OK. I'll be laughing next year. I mean doesn't he have the highest winning percentage among active coaches now? They would truly have bucknuts for brains if they did this.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
A&M got 313 million more in booster donations 2005 - 2022. 60 million more per year over that same time frame would be just over a Billion dollars. I think I'll take Ohio State
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I agree that Ohio St is the better job. A&M is a classic "too many cooks in the kitchen" operation. In terms of resources though, I don't think there is an athletic department in the country that has greater assess to capital than they do.
 
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05_never_again said:
I agree that Ohio St is the better job. A&M is a classic "too many cooks in the kitchen" operation. In terms of resources though, I don't think there is an athletic department in the country that has greater assess to capital than they do.
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It's certainly useful if you need a ridiculous buyout, as we all just saw. But they are basically selling influence in their program by doing that. That gets you, as you say, too many cooks.

That booster money isn't steady either. Pure revenue from the AD, like OSU has is what you want. Obscene amounts of cash without all the strings. A&M has people it can beg money from. Ohio State just has money.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
It's certainly useful if you need a ridiculous buyout, as we all just saw. But they are basically selling influence in their program by doing that. That gets you, as you say, too many cooks.

That booster money isn't steady either. Pure revenue from the AD, like OSU has is what you want. Obscene amounts of cash without all the strings. A&M has people it can beg money from. Ohio State just has money.
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I'm not disagreeing with anything you're saying. What you just laid out is exactly why A&M, even though they have more resources, isn't as good of a job as Ohio St. They do have greater access to capital than Ohio St...it's also really complicated trying to access it.
 
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05_never_again said:
I'm not disagreeing with anything you're saying. What you just laid out is exactly why A&M, even though they have more resources, isn't as good of a job as Ohio St. They do have greater access to capital than Ohio St...it's also really complicated trying to access it.
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It's semantics I suppose. I just don't view money boosters could give you as the same as actually having it. It's that whole don't count your chickens before they hatch thing. It's like saying you have 5k because you have a credit card with a 5k limit. Just because you can spend it doesn't mean you can afford it.

And looking at the numbers A&M still doesn't have more money even accounting for the boosters. Ohio States revenue more than makes up for the booster difference.
 
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ZippyMorocco said:
He whined for months about losing Harrison in last year's CFP. He failed to mention that Harrison had more snaps than George Pickens had for UGA.
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how does that make him a scumbag?

by that measure you could call every coach a scumbag. Heck Kirby won it all twice in a row, maybe going on 3, and still pulls the "no one gave us a chance" rhetoric.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
It's semantics I suppose. I just don't view money boosters could give you as the same as actually having it. It's that whole don't count your chickens before they hatch thing. It's like saying you have 5k because you have a credit card with a 5k limit. Just because you can spend it doesn't mean you can afford it.

And looking at the numbers A&M still doesn't have more money even accounting for the boosters. Ohio States revenue more than makes up for the booster difference.
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It depends on how you look at it. I don't think Ohio St could have come up with $90m just to fire a coach, even if that coach was really mediocre and their fans were put out with him. I'm not sure if they have the boosters to do it, or if said boosters would want to spend that kind of money on a coaching buyout. A&M, for better or worse, does have those kinds of boosters.

A&M's boosters are almost always willing to spend money. The issue, as you've correctly pointed out, is that it comes with strings attached. They'll basically always give money...as long as you do what they want, which isn't the same as revenue coming in from the AD.
 
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Seems like there is nothing to see here. Just Fulmer v Florida and Bowden v Miami all over again. Those two coaches rarely beat those two teams, but beat everyone else. Yet no one ever said they wanted them fired for it during those streaks.
 
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05_never_again said:
It depends on how you look at it. I don't think Ohio St could have come up with $90m just to fire a coach, even if that coach was really mediocre and their fans were put out with him. I'm not sure if they have the boosters to do it, or if said boosters would want to spend that kind of money on a coaching buyout. A&M, for better or worse, does have those kinds of boosters.

A&M's boosters are almost always willing to spend money. The issue, as you've correctly pointed out, is that it comes with strings attached. They'll basically always give money...as long as you do what they want, which isn't the same as revenue coming in from the AD.
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I think Ohio State doesn't have to peddle influence in their program to boosters as much as A&M, so they don't. That doesn't mean they can't.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
I think Ohio State doesn't have to peddle influence in their program to boosters as much as A&M, so they don't. That doesn't mean they can't.
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I don't think any school's AD peddles influence in their program. There is no way in hell A&M, or any school, goes to their boosters and says "If you give us money we'll let you call the shots." Or if they do, they don't actually mean it and just want the money.

What happens is boosters give money to the school, which they know the school will never turn down, and assume that this gives them control over decisions. If one booster feels they aren't being listened to and stops/slows down donations, another one will come in. It's a delicate balancing act to get as much of this money as possible without being influenced by them.
 
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05_never_again said:
I don't think any school's AD peddles influence in their program. There is no way in hell A&M, or any school, goes to their boosters and says "If you give us money we'll let you call the shots." Or if they do, they don't actually mean it and just want the money.

What happens is boosters give money to the school, which they know the school will never turn down, and assume that this gives them control over decisions. If one booster feels they aren't being listened to and stops/slows down donations, another one will come in. It's a delicate balancing act to get as much of this money as possible without being influenced by them.
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Booster meddle all the time. That's exactly how Auburn got to where they are.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
Booster meddle all the time. That's exactly how Auburn got to where they are.
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Of course they meddle. I'm saying I don't think athletic departments solicit donations on the basis of letting boosters meddle in the program if they give money. It happens anyway, of course, but ADs don't solicit the meddling.
 
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05_never_again said:
Of course they meddle. I'm saying I don't think athletic departments solicit donations on the basis of letting boosters meddle in the program if they give money. It happens anyway, of course, but ADs don't solicit the meddling.
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Not directly of course. But they're is a certain expectation based on how big your donation is.

It's like when Vince McMahon told a guy he needs to put on 50 lbs of muscle in the next 3 months. He didn't tell him to do a round of the juice, buy everyone knew what he meant.

If the boosters that paid tha massive buyout don't feel like they some say they sure won't don't again. At some point there is no way to placate them without actually listening to them. It's the whole to many cooks thing you mentioned before.
 
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05_never_again said:
Day isn't on the hot seat with the people that matter (the AD, admin, etc.). The AD is retiring next year though.

To your point though, that is a wild position to be in. A not insignificant minority of that fanbase thinks he stinks.
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Ryan Day = Mark Richt

Not a bad coach, not a bad person, always going to recruit good, going to win all the games he should, just won’t get you over the hump, isn’t going to beat elite coaches or programs.
 
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