Ryan (last) Day

#51
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DaddyChad said:
Ryan Day = Mark Richt

Not a bad coach, not a bad person, always going to recruit good, going to win all the games he should, just won’t get you over the hump, isn’t going to beat elite coaches or programs.
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Richt "only" had a winning % of .740. Day's winning % right now is an absurd .888. Smaller sample size, yes, but Richt never had a 5-year stretch where he won 90% of his games and finished in the top 5-6 every year.
 
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05_never_again said:
Richt "only" had a winning % of .740. Day's winning % right now is an absurd .888. Smaller sample size, yes, but Richt never had a 5-year stretch where he won 90% of his games and finished in the top 5-6 every year.
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The schedule Day has each year pales in comparison to what Richt had. The Big 10 is mediocre on a regular basis. People bring up Penn State but they’re an average team at best. Day like Kirby was handed the keys to a Lambo and Kirby drove that SOB like he stole it, Day drives it like he doesn’t want his parents to find out he stole it
 
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Sin City Vol said:
The schedule Day has each year pales in comparison to what Richt had. The Big 10 is mediocre on a regular basis. People bring up Penn State but they’re an average team at best. Day like Kirby was handed the keys to a Lambo and Kirby drove that SOB like he stole it, Day drives it like he doesn’t want his parents to find out he stole it
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UGA didn't exactly run a gauntlet this year or last year. The SEC East has not been great since Kirby took over. It's a tougher schedule year in year out than Ohio St because mediocre SEC teams are probably better than mediocre Big Ten teams, but there isn't this vast ocean between the schedule strengths. Ohio St does reside in the harder division of their conference, unlike UGA, and plays Michigan and Penn St every year. UGA does not play Alabama and LSU every year, at least in the regular season. Penn St having double-digit wins in 5 of the last 7 full-length seasons is much better than "average at best."

Day was a FG away from beating Kirby last year, and almost surely would have won the title if that kick was good as time expired.
 
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05_never_again said:
UGA didn't exactly run a gauntlet this year or last year. The SEC East has not been great since Kirby took over. It's a tougher schedule year in year out than Ohio St because mediocre SEC teams are probably better than mediocre Big Ten teams, but there isn't this vast ocean between the schedule strengths. Ohio St does reside in the harder division of their conference, unlike UGA. Penn St having double-digit wins in 5 of the last 7 full-length seasons is much better than "average at best."

Day was a FG away from beating Kirby last year, and almost surely would have won the title if that kick was good as time expired.
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PSU plays a weak schedule as well.
 
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Sin City Vol said:
The schedule Day has each year pales in comparison to what Richt had. The Big 10 is mediocre on a regular basis. People bring up Penn State but they’re an average team at best. Day like Kirby was handed the keys to a Lambo and Kirby drove that SOB like he stole it, Day drives it like he doesn’t want his parents to find out he stole it
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Ryan Day literally has a better record through his first 5 seasons than Kirby:

Ryan Day: 53-7
Kirby: 52-14

And Day was a missed Field Goal away from a national championship last season. How short can your memory possibly be?

Before Kirby won the title, people said "he couldn't win the big game" and other such stupid criticisms as well.

Ryan Day is an elite coach.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Ohio State is DEFINITELY the better job. It's far more stable because the donors and admins pretty much don't meddle at all.

Urban, if he wanted, would still be coaching there if they had managed to keep his assistant coach's domestic assault case and Urban's handling of it under wraps. He was 82-9 or something.

It's a top 5 job, at least. Day will have to completely run it off the rails to get fired there.
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Honestly it may be a top two job, second only to Georgia. You could even make the case it’s better— more tradition, easier conference, bigger university, etc.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
Ryan Day literally has a better record through his first 5 seasons than Kirby:

Ryan Day: 53-7
Kirby: 52-14

And Day was a missed Field Goal away from a national championship last season. How short can your memory possibly be?

Before Kirby won the title, people said "he couldn't win the big game" and other such stupid criticisms as well.

Ryan Day is an elite coach.
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This thread thinks that any coach that wins a bunch of games but hasn't won a title sucks, and even coaches who have won titles are overrated.
 
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Vol in Buckeye Land said:
Honestly it may be a top two job, second only to Georgia. You could even make the case it’s better— more tradition, easier conference, bigger university, etc.
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It's sad that Ohio State is a really, really good school because their fans are nearly GA level obnoxious and just as proud of their jerk behavior as Dawgs.

But yeah, it's a great job.
 
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05_never_again said:
UGA didn't exactly run a gauntlet this year or last year. The SEC East has not been great since Kirby took over. It's a tougher schedule year in year out than Ohio St because mediocre SEC teams are probably better than mediocre Big Ten teams, but there isn't this vast ocean between the schedule strengths. Ohio St does reside in the harder division of their conference, unlike UGA, and plays Michigan and Penn St every year. UGA does not play Alabama and LSU every year, at least in the regular season. Penn St having double-digit wins in 5 of the last 7 full-length seasons is much better than "average at best."

Day was a FG away from beating Kirby last year, and almost surely would have won the title if that kick was good as time expired.
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This year’s SOS difference is 17 places between UGA and OSU and their opponents average ranking is 59 vs 55 in favor of OSU. That difference in OSU’s favor today is playing ND. As soon as UGA plays Bama their opponent’s average rank will jump to 55 as well. So the schedule differences are basically negligible.
 
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AthensVol2007 said:
This year’s SOS difference is 17 places between UGA and OSU and their opponents average ranking is 59 vs 55 in favor of OSU. That difference in OSU’s favor today is playing ND. As soon as UGA plays Bama their opponent’s average rank will jump to 55 as well. So the schedule differences are basically negligible.
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Yes - most on VN though think there is no football worth watching outside of the SEC though.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
Ryan Day literally has a better record through his first 5 seasons than Kirby:

Ryan Day: 53-7
Kirby: 52-14

And Day was a missed Field Goal away from a national championship last season. How short can your memory possibly be?

Before Kirby won the title, people said "he couldn't win the big game" and other such stupid criticisms as well.

Ryan Day is an elite coach.
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Imagine being 53-7 and NOT having a Natty. As I see it, Kirby manages to get it done and may again this year. Day simply doesn't or hasn't yet.

Elite? Day is definitely at an elite school, with elite recruits, elite facilities, etc. He reminds me of the Stetson Bennett of coaches....... he manages games with one of the best teams in the country around him. Yeah, they don't hand that job to just anyone, but you're starting on the 3rd rung when you get the Ohio State job.
 
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05_never_again said:
This thread thinks that any coach that wins a bunch of games but hasn't won a title sucks, and even coaches who have won titles are overrated.
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I continue to say that Saban ruined the sport. that much success for so long completely reset expectations at ALL schools, not just Bama. Its not enough to win a title, or two, Jimbo, Dabo, Orgeron, you have to sustain THAT level, or you are considered a hack. at no other time were expectations that high.
 
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LouderVol said:
I continue to say that Saban ruined the sport. that much success for so long completely reset expectations at ALL schools, not just Bama. Its not enough to win a title, or two, Jimbo, Dabo, Orgeron, you have to sustain THAT level, or you are considered a hack. at no other time were expectations that high.
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What fans make of Saban's run, and whether or not it can be duplicated at their own school, is their problem. People's expectations have been reset because they've allowed them to.

Sports are a zero sum game. If someone wins the national championship, by definition nobody else can. If you have a dozen or so schools who think they should be winning the title every year, or every other year, at least 11 of them are going to be disappointed.
 
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ZippyMorocco said:
He whined for months about losing Harrison in last year's CFP. He failed to mention that Harrison had more snaps than George Pickens had for UGA.
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Never read one thing about that, and besides, why does that make him a scumbag..... Harrison getting knocked out definitely affected the outcome of the game... He had over 100 yards in the 1st half and didn't get any in the 3rd qtr because other receivers were getting touchdowns. Also, George Pickens is not Marvin Harrison.
 
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ZippyMorocco said:
He whined for months about losing Harrison in last year's CFP. He failed to mention that Harrison had more snaps than George Pickens had for UGA.
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I don't know if you're being serious or not. But George Pickens didn't play for UGA last year. So I guess you're still technically right, but it would be terrible point to make.

And says nothing of the fact that Pickens is nowhere near as talented of a WR as Marvin Harrison Jr.
 
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05_never_again said:
What fans make of Saban's run, and whether or not it can be duplicated at their own school, is their problem. People's expectations have been reset because they've allowed them to.

Sports are a zero sum game. If someone wins the national championship, by definition nobody else can. If you have a dozen or so schools who think they should be winning the title every year, or every other year, at least 11 of them are going to be disappointed.
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agreed. it was never really the expectation to win every year though. It was never the Saban level of dominance of winning. 3 in 4 years, and 6 over 11. Nebraska has the 3 in 4, I don't think anyone else does, no one gets close to 6 in 11. heck there are only 10 programs with 6 titles total. Three of them are the Ivy League schools before WW2, and Minnesotas all but one comes from before WW2. Bear Bryants 6 came over 18 seasons.

if you have joined Bama as a Freshman at any point at Alabama under Saban, and stayed at least 4 years, you would win at least 1 title. 16 seasons. Bama would have to not win this year AND next year for that to become true at the end of 2024.

and because EVERYONE is chasing him, every school has reset their expectations for what a coach needs to do to keep their job, or be considered good. its why the coaching contracts are INSANE right now. To be fair, Smart is continuing that trend of dominance. There is a reason the NFL tries to enforce parity.
 
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Well, it looks like Day is safe for now...... But if he loses that game next year he is almost assuredly gone. He is a very good coach but at times is to cautious. He has stated that he is very much interested in being an NFL coach again, only HC, and I believe the insane pressure at OSU will drive him there.
 
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orange blossom said:
Well, it looks like Day is safe for now...... But if he loses that game next year he is almost assuredly gone. He is a very good coach but at times is to cautious. He has stated that he is very much interested in being an NFL coach again, only HC, and I believe the insane pressure at OSU will drive him there.
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He's not getting fired. Ohio State fans might bitch all day and night about losing to Michigan but the admins and boosters aren't crazy.

They didn't replace Urban in a knee jerk fashion and they won't replace Day without having someone groomed and ready.

The idea that admins get pissed or react to fans getting pissed or whatever is what creates chaos in programs: see TN for a decade or aTm currently or Auburn. Ohio State fans are entitled and obnoxious but their admins are methodical and calculated. They've already made the mistakes programs like Auburn made recently and they've learned.

Day is secure, if not comfortable, at Ohio State until you see a "hot shot young coach" assistant come onboard and stay who could take another job, but doesn't.
 
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Day is not "comfortable" at Ohio State....... playing Michigan is not just a game, it is a way of life.... thought about 365 days a year. You just don't lose to Michigan multiple times and feel safe.....
 
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