Saban and Lane Kiffin together...

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Lane is a logistics consultant, teaching Saban how to jump ship and be out of town before Tuscaloosa can respond. Heard he has experience in these matters.
 
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CaVOLfn said:
He probably will do good somewhere. But he needs a schools that doesn't have as high of a profile as a UT or USCw where he can be mediocre for a year or two then build himself up.
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Ut high profile only in our eyes.. We r so irrelevant no one considers us a threat..yes when he was hired but now not so much..n the coach we hired couldn't beat vandy or make a bowl game..

Thanks hart for having this under control
 
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It's is true that he was set up for failure but the fact remains. his time there at the wheel was a failure. Ironically his previous tenure there directly contributed to the results we have seen on the field. He also made the choice to coach in the mess he helped to create. None the less, with the talent talent that he had, he shouldn't have even been challenged within his division.

As for his ability to game plan effectively, he is average to just above at best. He was slow to make adjustments and was overmatched by defensive coordinators with inferior talent.

Finally... If he is the offensive mastermind claimed here, where are the top tier quarterbacks on the roster? The offense was set up to feed any team, in need of a quarterback, in the NFL. If he is so good at developing talent and was known for such, USC should have several quarterbacks ready to go. The fact is they don't. Sark was the coach that lead and developed that group of QBs and if you look at the trend of QB development after he left, you'll see a steady decline.

I think we all still have plenty of buyers remorse here with this guy. Overstating his abilities and accomplishments will not make anyone feel better about the state he left this program when he exited.

I don't question Saban for looking to get an objective review of his offense for this bowl game. I'll only say he could have made a better choice in finding am evaluator.

I would say he is a good evaluator but not a good developer of talent.

keckjm said:
I already did. He was set up for failure. He's not a good head coach, but you are delusional if you don't think he isnt a good OC. It's when he tried to be a HC and OC at same time that he failed. I'm not naive. I don't live under a rock. I saw what happened at USC, and that situation was set up for failure no matter the coach. The PAC-12 isn't the Big East. They have good teams in their conference now, and with the sanctions placed upon them the last 3 years almost everyone would have failed there as a head coach. I hate Kiffin, but I also don't wear orange sunglasses all the time and bash guys and say they are no good just because they didn't respect UT.
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Its not like Saban is playing for a NC or anything and there is 3 more games left. Maybe Saban just needs some other idiot to tell him what not to do with a second left.
 
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You understand that football, by its own nature is cyclical, right?

If you are judging the profile of the program by the coaching hire, then you are ignoring the dumpster fire left by the previous administration and coaching staffs. No proven head coach in his right mind would have taken this job. Way to big of a risk to a legacy.

As far as the relavancy of the program, check your history and look at the talent lining up to walk onto the field.

92volalum said:
Ut high profile
only in our eyes.. We r so irrelevant no one considers us a threat..yes when he was hired but now not so much..n the coach we hired couldn't beat vandy or make a bowl game..

Thanks hart for having this under control
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Ok so why would you bring in an inferior coach to evaluate your offense? I might be less confused if Saban asked Phillip Montgomery or Scott Frost but Kiffin? The guy had mondo talent at USC and did basically nothing. Alabama doesn't need any schemes. I mean they have won 3 of the past 4 titles, I think whatever they are doing works.

Kiffin isn't qualified to hold Sabans headset. Nussmeier has every right to feel slighted here. This is a true ***** move by Saban and I hope he loses Nussmeier because of it.
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How do u know Nussmeier didn't suggest it to Saban?? Nothing wrong with getting an outsiders pov like u said. The guy has a different perspective. Now will they feel like it was a bad idea bringing in Kiffin to be the consultant afterwards??..Maybe. But that'll still be after the fact, and a story for a different thread. A thread when rumors of someone's sisters baby-mommas uncle brother overhears someone say they heard someone telling someone else that they heard that Saban told some one else in the Piggly Wiggly line that Kiffin was a waste of time and money.
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I hate what Lane did to us as much as the next guy but I dont hate him
He screwed us pretty hard, but I would have gone home too.
If I was at USC and TN called me, i'd be gone like a thief in the night. I believe him that he wouldnt have done it for any other job
Flame away. But deep down you would have done the same thing if it was TN calling
 
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Hey, maybe Nick wanted to know Kiffy's escape plan from Knoxville for later this week when he heads for Austin?

GO VOLS!!!
 
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peyton4heisman said:
I hate what Lane did to us as much as the next guy but I dont hate him
He screwed us pretty hard, but I would have gone home too.
If I was at USC and TN called me, i'd be gone like a thief in the night. I believe him that he wouldnt have done it for any other job
Flame away. But deep down you would have done the same thing if it was TN calling
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It's not that he left for USC. I get that part. The thief in the night thing on the other hand I would never do. Nor would I have called the recruits I had brought to the program and tell them not to go to class so that they could follow me to my new job. He actively tried to screw us harder than he did. The reason I hate Lil Kiff is not what he did but how he did it. When someone screws you and yours over that hard hating them is a perfectly reasonable reaction.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Ok so why would you bring in an inferior coach to evaluate your offense? I might be less confused if Saban asked Phillip Montgomery or Scott Frost but Kiffin? The guy had mondo talent at USC and did basically nothing. Alabama doesn't need any schemes. I mean they have won 3 of the past 4 titles, I think whatever they are doing works.

Kiffin isn't qualified to hold Sabans headset. Nussmeier has every right to feel slighted here. This is a true ***** move by Saban and I hope he loses Nussmeier because of it.
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What they are doing works because they don't take anything for granted. This is done all the time, but usually in the offseason between signing day and spring practice. Stoops was in a few years ago but I don't think Smart was offended. (And no, I am not putting Kiffin in the same league as Stoops) This is the perfect time and Kiffin has nothing else to do. I just don't see what the big deal is.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Ok so why would you bring in an inferior coach to evaluate your offense? I might be less confused if Saban asked Phillip Montgomery or Scott Frost but Kiffin? The guy had mondo talent at USC and did basically nothing. Alabama doesn't need any schemes. I mean they have won 3 of the past 4 titles, I think whatever they are doing works.

Kiffin isn't qualified to hold Sabans headset. Nussmeier has every right to feel slighted here. This is a true ***** move by Saban and I hope he loses Nussmeier because of it.
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You did not answer his question.
 
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VolStudent247 said:
I would be too, Saban went over his head to bring in a guy who freezes up when calling plays during games. It's not like Bama has had a bad year on offense, either.
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Went over his subordinates head? Uhhhh, I don't think you understand authority & responsibility in this case. A strong leader holds each on his team accountable. If the OC feels slighted b/ç he's too weak to take criticism, then he has no business holding a major post for a successful leader. A quality OC should be willing to have his work scrutinized if it can help results. Saban probably demands this mindset instead of subordinates who want to protect their turf and not accept critical assessments. Probably a major reason he's a winner.
 
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fade route said:
Aside from developing Crompton, Kiff's offensive prowess is vastly overrated. They were abysmal this past hear with 5 star talent at the skill positions.
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Correct, except he did not develop Crompton. This myth must end, and I have no idea where it comes from. Crompdaddy was as lost as last year's Easter Egg for half his senior season under those two. The game simply slowed down for him. They did not develop him.
 
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92volalum said:
Ut high profile only in our eyes.. We r so irrelevant no one considers us a threat..yes when he was hired but now not so much..n the coach we hired couldn't beat vandy or make a bowl game..

Thanks hart for having this under control
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I would assume most everyone agrees Saban is no dummy. Kiffin can coach QB's and that is a fact and Saban knows that.
 
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CaVOLfn said:
He probably will do good somewhere. But he needs a schools that doesn't have as high of a profile as a UT or USCw where he can be mediocre for a year or two then build himself up.
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If I were FAU I would have hired him. If I'm Ark State, I hire him in a heartbeat. Perfect fit there, though he would bolt the first chance he got,cause, you know....Arkansas
 
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