Saban blew it...

#26
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volstopfan14 said:
I agree that a kick had a better shot than a throw. But in my mind, it's just a big risk to take in that situation. With that long of a kick, it's possibly gonna be low so you have a shot at a block. Then if you miss, it's likely short so a chance to return vs a group of linemen who are not prepared to tackle in the open field. So ultimately I think a throw was probably a lower risk play as I can't think of a time that I can ever remember seeing the defensive team score on a hail mary attempt. So with a throw, less of a chance you score but also much greater chance you don't lose on that play, IMO.
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True.

But ignoring the defensive ability to score argument, in the end it's still more likely to make a 56 yard FG than a hail mary.

Coaches make calls to win games, not NOT lose them.

I think he should have said "screw this, give it to AJ in OT". Take a knee, bench the kicker, and run it down AU's throat.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
After last week's AU win, I promise the AU defenders would have been coached to knock a hail Mary down, as opposed to intercepting.
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Exactly. A hail mary in a tie game is a pretty safe play. But with a kick of that distance, too much can go wrong. If it wasn't tied then go for it. But if it gets blocked or it's short then you are in serious trouble. And with it being so long, there is a good chance one of those 2 things happen. So I don't know that kicking there was the right call. The risk outweighed the chances of making the kick, IMO.
 
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LittleCat said:
True.

But ignoring the defensive ability to score argument, in the end it's still more likely to make a 56 yard FG than a hail mary.

Coaches make calls to win games, not NOT lose them.

I think he should have said "screw this, give it to AJ in OT". Take a knee, bench the kicker, and run it down AU's throat.
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I agree. A field goal was a better shot than a pass attempt. I just feel in that situation that the potential negative of kicking it was too much to risk it with the potential of making the kick being unlikely.

I don't know. Maybe that kicker is money in practice from that deep. If he is then maybe giving him a shot isn't a bad call. But in my mind, I just think the risk was too much and throwing it or kneeling it would've been the better move.
 
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#29
It's Alabama though.

Saban probably though the refs had his back if anything happened against them the last play. Too bad they let him down.
 
#30
#30
Saban was outcoached, and not just by a little.

Alabama had 8 possessions that made it inside the Auburn 30 yard line. Bama only scored on 4 of them. Auburn scored every time they had the ball inside the Bama 30.

You will hear no excuses from me. Bama failed when it mattered. Many will blame Cade Foster, but his spaz-out was only one symptom of Bama's overall ineptitude.
 
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bamawriter said:
Saban was outcoached, and not just by a little.

Alabama had 8 possessions that made it inside the Auburn 30 yard line. Bama only scored on 4 of them. Auburn scored every time they had the ball inside the Bama 30.

You will hear no excuses from me. Bama failed when it mattered. Many will blame Cade Foster, but his spaz-out was only one symptom of Bama's overall ineptitude.
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Hasn't Foster had other games where he killed the team with missed FGs?

IIRC wasn't he against LSU when he missed multiple attempts (they ended up losing by 3 I think).
 
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bamawriter said:
Saban was outcoached, and not just by a little.

Alabama had 8 possessions that made it inside the Auburn 30 yard line. Bama only scored on 4 of them. Auburn scored every time they had the ball inside the Bama 30.

You will hear no excuses from me. Bama failed when it mattered. Many will blame Cade Foster, but his spaz-out was only one symptom of Bama's overall ineptitude.
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I'd blame Cade Foster, then Saban. Saban's unsuccessful 4th and 1 call was essentially forced by how poorly Foster was kicking. He missed 3 makeable kicks...a hook, a snap hook, and had one blocked that looked like it came out low.
 
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LittleCat said:
Hasn't Foster had other games where he killed the team with missed FGs?

IIRC wasn't he against LSU when he missed multiple attempts (they ended up losing by 3 I think).
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Yes. This is the second time in his career that Foster has missed three field goals in a a game in which Bama would have won the West if Foster had just hit 1/3.

But again, this loss was not solely on him.
 
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bamawriter said:
Yes. This is the second time in his career that Foster has missed three field goals in a a game in which Bama would have won the West if Foster had just hit 1/3.

But again, this loss was not solely on him.
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Weird to see such a powerhouse team struggle with something as basic as a kicker (even schools like UK seem to have consistently good kickers).

Is this just a fluke in recent memory?
 
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LittleCat said:
Weird to see such a powerhouse team struggle with something as basic as a kicker (even schools like UK seem to have consistently good kickers).

Is this just a fluke in recent memory?
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Jeremy Shelley did not miss a single kick last year. And Leigh Tiffin won the Groza in '09. We don't always suck at PK.

Foster simply doesn't have it between the ears.
 
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The dumbest call of the game, IMO, was Bama going for it on 4th and 1 up 7. It would've been an easy kick and even though Foster was struggling I would think he could make that. But in a 7 point game, you have to make it a 2 possession game if you get the chance and Bama failed in that.
 
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#37
Bama fans in total meltdown on ESPN radio. Worst loss ever talk going on. Makes me happy.
 
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Awful decision from Saban.

A Hail Mary to Howard, Cooper, or Norwood sounds a lot more likely than a 57 yard field goal on a cold night.

Both low percentage plays, but still.

He doesn't make many bad decisions, but that one was pretty bad.
 
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Lexvol said:
Bama fans in total meltdown on ESPN radio. Worst loss ever talk going on. Makes me happy.
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As you'd expect an elite team to do, their fanbase handles losing very poorly. I remember after the South Carolina loss in 2010 there were calls on Finebaum's show for McElwain to be fired and Saban to be put on the hot seat.
 
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Cade Foster had his twitter account blown up with death threats and other comments about his girlfriend and family after the loss. I realize it was a huge game for them but nobody , including our own players a few weeks ago, should have to put up with that crap.
 
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05_never_again said:
He went for it because 1) he had no confidence in his kicker (and rightly so) and 2) wouldn't you like the odds of your offensive line and Yeldon of getting 1 yard?
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1) If he had no confidence in his kicker on a short field-goal what makes him think he could hit a long field-goal?

2) What are the odds a kicker makes 57 yard field-goal when he had missed three shorter ones?

Saban made a mistake, why is that so hard for some people to admit?
 
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Spartacavolus said:
He had a bad 4th quarter. Dooleyesque. Him not seeing what could happen on a cold night with a long fg is flat out of Dooley's book
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Actually dooley would've just let the clock run out with 30 seconds left and gone into overtime. The man was playing to win, I'll give him that.
 
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Big Orange fan said:
Cade Foster had his twitter account blown up with death threats and other comments about his girlfriend and family after the loss. I realize it was a huge game for them but nobody , including our own players a few weeks ago, should have to put up with that crap.
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This makes me hate bama fans even more. Those poor things. To get 2 NCs in a row and not get the 3rd. How does one go on?
 
#45
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volfan_89 said:
1) If he had no confidence in his kicker on a short field-goal what makes him think he could hit a long field-goal?

2) What are the odds a kicker makes 57 yard field-goal when he had missed three shorter ones?

Saban made a mistake, why is that so hard for some people to admit?
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It was a different kicker
 
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Colossus257 said:
It was a different kicker
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Then I stand corrected. Didn't realize it was a different kicker, that's almost just as bad though to bring a cold kicker to try for the game winning fieldgoal. Course hindsight is 20/20 and I'm admittedly looking for any reason to bash Saban or bama.
 
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LittleCat said:
I think he should have said "screw this, give it to AJ in OT". Take a knee, bench the kicker, and run it down AU's throat.
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Exactly this. Why put the game in the hands of your proven worst players? The FG unit was sucking big time the entire game. They were unfit and not prepared to win this game. In that situation, give it to the best players and let them make clutch, Heisman-worthy plays and take the Iron Bowl trophy home to Wal-Mart.
 
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#48
#48
Insunseri said:
Bet they wish that 1 second wouldve been burned on previous play. I think saban shot himself in the foot.
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Should have kicked FG earlier to go up 2 scores. Saban blew this game. It's great seeing Bama fans cry:)
 
#49
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05_never_again said:
Clearly, Saban overestimated his kicker. He said he was making them from 60 in practice, but this kick was from 56 with a slight breeze behind him, and he was about 2 yards short.
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Wonder why he wasn't kicking earlier in the game?
 
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