Saban blew it...

#76
#76
I don't know why you guys are saying Bama would have lost in OT. They have a better offense for the redzone. The exception is the confidence in and of the kicker. My money would have been on Bama in OT.

That said, I still would have tried the FG.
 
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volinbham said:
I don't know why you guys are saying Bama would have lost in OT. They have a better offense for the redzone. The exception is the confidence in and of the kicker. My money would have been on Bama in OT.

That said, I still would have tried the FG.
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who was your money on the begin with? Bama?

I agree, Bama does not win that game in overtime. NICK knew that!
 
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The hindsight analysis is pretty amusing.

The danger with long field goal attempts that always gets cited--and rightly so--is that they get blocked. Not that they can be returned--because that almost never happens.

You're much more likely to see an intercepted pass returned for a TD than a FG attempt.
 
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Velo Vol said:
The hindsight analysis is pretty amusing.

The danger with long field goal attempts that always gets cited--and rightly so--is that they get blocked. Not that they can be returned--because that almost never happens.

You're much more likely to see an intercepted pass returned for a TD than a FG attempt.
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I have never seen an intercepted hail mary returned for a TD. I have seen several missed FGs returned for a TD (both college and pros).

Fact of the matter is one team was prepared for the most likely scenario in that the FG would be short. The other team wasn't prepared for that probability at all. Also, if the coaches felt this kicker was capable of putting it between the uprights from 57 yards then when they lost confidence in the regular kicker, why didn't they use the long range guy for what would have been the game clinching 30 yarder? Rather than trying to run for a first down. He certainly can hit it true from 30 yards if he can hit it true from 57.

This game proved to me that Saban is no more intelligent than any other coach in the business. He's just the right fit of personality and motivator to pencil in for the HC role in the big monster machine called Alabama Football.
 
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ZZ13 said:
This game proved to me that Saban is no more intelligent than any other coach in the business. He's just the right fit of personality and motivator to pencil in for the HC role in the big monster machine called Alabama Football.
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I don't know that I've ever thought about Saban being smarter than other coaches or a better x's and o's guy.

He works harder than just about any other coach and works his management system better than just about any other coach. That's what makes him the best in the college business.

In some ways I compare him to Belichik (sp?) though I think the latter is a better x's and o's guy. Both run tight ships. Both can scheme any opponent if given enough time.
 
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bamawriter said:
Well, you didn't watch the game. You wouldn't ask if you had.
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All I know is when you can go up 2 scores with six minutes to go in a game by kicking basically an extra point field goal, you kick it. Face it, Saban choked big time and all you have to do is listen to the media to realize its not just me saying this.
 
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Velo Vol said:
The hindsight analysis is pretty amusing.

The danger with long field goal attempts that always gets cited--and rightly so--is that they get blocked. Not that they can be returned--because that almost never happens.

You're much more likely to see an intercepted pass returned for a TD than a FG attempt.
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Not necessarily true. The FG team mainly has a bunch of slow offensive linemen while a "hail Mary" pass would have to be returned 100 yards with RB's and WR's that have enough speed to run down the DB returning the interception.
 
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1985Vols said:
All I know is when you can go up 2 scores with six minutes to go in a game by kicking basically an extra point field goal, you kick it. Face it, Saban choked big time and all you have to do is listen to the media to realize its not just me saying this.
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Again, you quite clearly did not watch the game.

Had we kicked it rather than going for it, it would have been a 31 yard attempt. You might say "hey, that's a chip shot for most kickers." But had you watched the game you would have known that, just two possessions prior, Foster badly shanked a 33 yarder. Foster was mentally screwed.
 
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bamawriter said:
Again, you quite clearly did not watch the game.

Had we kicked it rather than going for it, it would have been a 31 yard attempt. You might say "hey, that's a chip shot for most kickers." But had you watched the game you would have known that, just two possessions prior, Foster badly shanked a 33 yarder. Foster was mentally screwed.
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Why didn't Saban let the kicker he thought could hit a 57 yard FG kick a 30 yard FG? Just admit it, Saban lost the game.
 
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1985Vols said:
Why didn't Saban let the kicker he thought could hit a 57 yard FG kick a 30 yard FG? Just admit it, Saban lost the game.
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Oh, he definitely got outcoached. But going for it on 4th and less than 1 from the Auburn 13 was the right call.

Now, I thought the playcall was poor. All of our best runs had come by running behind Steen and Shepard. The left side of the line had been getting abused all day long. But for whatever reason, we ran to the left and wound up leaving a down lineman completely unblocked.

But, again, going for it was the right decision.
 
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I can't answer for Saban but, Foster missed one, made one (negated by a penalty), shanked one horribly, and had one blocked. I'm guessing Saban would give his senior kicker a chance before he let the rs freshman. Once he saw Foster was through, then he let the Griffith have a try. Jmo
 
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Saban made a series of mistakes that lead to Auburn victory.... wtf he was thinking I don't know. The bad fg kicker got to his head.
 
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Writer, going for it on 4th was absolutely the WRONG call. That's not a hindsight thing. Before the ball was even snapped, everybody around me agreed that it wasn't gutsy, just stupid. That cost Bama the game.

The 57 yarder is a toss up. I would have kicked it. The chances of something either good (winning) or neutral (no good/overtime) happening was probably somewhere near 90%. And the Alabama players did a HORRIBLE job covering the return. They all took off downfield running directly at the returner rather than taking angles to funnel him to the sideline. Even then, they still funneled him enough that he was a mere inch from stepping out of bounds. Their chances of winning or having a neutral outcome far exceed the chances of winning in overtime, so he took the shot.
 
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bama players obviously weren't told to immediately run and fan out to prevent a return in case it was short. They stood and stared. Very poor coaching and somewhat panicky to not think of it. Seems like there would be one asst that sticks his head in and says we have to fan out after the kick. A wall of slow defenders can tackle the guy. 11 players on the field and only 2 had a chance to get within 5 yards of him. Kicking it is fine there. Not foreseeing that potential issue isn't. All coaches make mistakes. The best of the best. Players either cover mistakes or make them look worse. Saban makes them all the time but has a dominant team and players so they are usually covered well.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Writer, going for it on 4th was absolutely the WRONG call. That's not a hindsight thing. Before the ball was even snapped, everybody around me agreed that it wasn't gutsy, just stupid. That cost Bama the game.
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I understand your take, and I'll respectfully disagree. I've watched enough of Cade Foster over the last 3 or so years to know that he was done. He's mentally fragile. One could argue that we could have tried Griffith on that one, but I'm not sure I would have put a freshman in that situation.

Alabama was running the ball well. There is no reason we shouldn't have picked up 2 feet on fourth down. The playcall was bad, and the execution was worse.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
bama players obviously weren't told to immediately run and fan out to prevent a return in case it was short. They stood and stared. Very poor coaching and somewhat panicky to not think of it. Seems like there would be one asst that sticks his head in and says we have to fan out after the kick. A wall of slow defenders can tackle the guy. 11 players on the field and only 2 had a chance to get within 5 yards of him. Kicking it is fine there. Not foreseeing that potential issue isn't. All coaches make mistakes. The best of the best. Players either cover mistakes or make them look worse. Saban makes them all the time but has a dominant team and players so they are usually covered well.
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In a post-game interview, Vogler said that they have practiced getting in lanes in case of a short kick. If that's the case, just about every guy on the field forgot what he'd practiced.
 
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bamawriter said:
In a post-game interview, Vogler said that they have practiced getting in lanes in case of a short kick. If that's the case, just about every guy on the field forgot what he'd practiced.
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maybe because you are a teenager on tv in a huge game and have practiced 1000 different plays and scenarios and rely on the men leading you to make sure in the huddle that everyone was focused and knew exactly what to do. snap, kick, fan at full speed. Obviously that leadership in the huddle during the long delay never happened because 75% of the team on the field was standing and watching. If they say they reminded them, they are lying.
 
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chattavol420 said:
He also went for it from the 21 yard line out of arrogance. He wanted to make a point to the kicker and the team. If he just goes ahead and kicks the field goal there, and make it, they go up by 10 and win the game.
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You got it in 1. I was like WTF kick the field goal and go up by 10 and game over with his D. That was his mistake in this game. Let Auburn hang around when they shouldn't have been in the game at the end.
 
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