Santorum

[volinbham]

In the original version of the AP story, Santorum was quoted as saying:[1]
"If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything."
It also included additional remarks criticizing "homosexual acts":[7]
"Whether it's polygamy, whether it's adultery, whether it's sodomy, all of those things, are antithetical to a healthy, stable, traditional family."

When Jordan asked "Okay, without being too gory or graphic, so if somebody is homosexual, you would argue that they should not have sex?" Santorum's response concluded:[7]
"In every society, the definition of marriage has not ever to my knowledge included homosexuality. That's not to pick on homosexuality. It's not, you know, man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be. It is one thing. And when you destroy that you have a dramatic impact on the quality —"

Santorum controversy regarding homosexuality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

equating homosexuality to adultery, pedophilia, etc.

 

[volfanjustin]

I don't really see where those comments would be offensive. I don't think he is comparing them, to me it sounds like he is just saying all those things are unhealthy to a society.

 

[VOLatile]

I don't really see where those comments would be offensive. I don't think he is comparing them, to me it sounds like he is just saying all those things are unhealthy to a society.

Is there any data supporting his opinion that homosexuality is unhealthy to society?

 

[milohimself]

Ipso facto, he's saying homosexuality is bad for society, I don't see how that can be separated from saying homosexuals are bad for society.

 

[volinbham]

Ipso facto, he's saying homosexuality is bad for society, I don't see how that can be separated from saying homosexuals are bad for society.

That's the real underlying message. He views it as a perversion that is bad for society - or at least implies that.

 

[volfanjustin]

Is there any data supporting his opinion that homosexuality is unhealthy to society?

It's just his opinion, is there any data saying it's healthy?

I don't understand why being a social conservative is the absolute worst thing someone could be to some of you.

 

[milohimself]

It's just his opinion, is there any data saying it's healthy?

I don't understand why being a social conservative is the absolute worst thing someone could be to some of you.

Why can't the LGBT be contributing, productive members of society who benefit from the same laws as the rest of us? Or even polygamists for that matter?

 

[volinbham]

One the larger front - government can't make families, it can't prevent homosexuality, it can't make people love each other.

 

[volinbham]

It's just his opinion, is there any data saying it's healthy?

I don't understand why being a social conservative is the absolute worst thing someone could be to some of you.

It's not the worst thing someone could be at all. I just don't think it's government's role to meddle in these areas. I have no doubt Santorum (and other social conservatives) would try to involve government.

I find many comments from Obama offensive too.

You asked for something offensive he said and I provided it. Implying homosexuality is bad for society is offensive.

 

[volfanjustin]

Why can't the LGBT be contributing, productive members of society who benefit from the same laws as the rest of us? Or even polygamists for that matter?

I never said they couldn't. I don't care who anyone else wants to love or have a sexual relationship with. I have said many times I am completely against them getting married but it should be a state issue, if a certain state wants to allow it, fine with me.

Why is someone evil and a bigot if they say they think being gay and abortion is wrong?

 

[volfanjustin]

It's not the worst thing someone could be at all. I just don't think it's government's role to meddle in these areas. I have no doubt Santorum (and other social conservatives) would try to involve government.

I find many comments from Obama offensive too.

You asked for something offensive he said and I provided it. Implying homosexuality is bad for society is offensive.

Everyone can be offended over something now days, we are a very weak society. I don't really think those comments are very offensive, I was expecting something way worse.

If he or any other person tried involving the government on a national level I would be opposed but I highly doubt this would be the case.

 

[lawgator1]

Everyone can be offended over something now days, we are a very weak society. I don't really think those comments are very offensive, I was expecting something way worse.

If he or any other person tried involving the government on a national level I would be opposed but I highly doubt this would be the case.

How do you square being a small government conservative with wanting the government to tell people who they can love?

 

[volinbham]

Why is someone evil and a bigot if they say they think being gay and abortion is wrong?

Why do you equate these two? One is a choice and one is not.

Being against abortion is a defensible opinion. Being against homosexuality is like being against Asians or Hispanics or ....

 

[milohimself]

I never said they couldn't. I don't care who anyone else wants to love or have a sexual relationship with. I have said many times I am completely against them getting married but it should be a state issue, if a certain state wants to allow it, fine with me.

Why is someone evil and a bigot if they say they think being gay and abortion is wrong?

The abortion thing is a whole other issue. Let's just stick with LGBT for now.

Nobody is compelled to be comfortable with LGBT or even think it's 'right' but when that becomes a dehumanizing view (which it often does) or affects policy so that certain people don't have the same set of laws as other people, then it becomes bigotry. Santorum voted yea as a US senator to the passage of the Defense of Marriage Act, which extends federal benefits of well over a thousand rights and responsibilities only to straight couples. That is discrimination.

Everyone can be offended over something now days, we are a very weak society. I don't really think those comments are very offensive, I was expecting something way worse.

If he or any other person tried involving the government on a national level I would be opposed but I highly doubt this would be the case.

He already has been instrumental in involving the federal government, see above.

 

[volfanjustin]

How do you square being a small government conservative with wanting the government to tell people who they can love?

Maybe you should re read my statement

 

[milohimself]

Why do you equate these two? One is a choice and one is not.

Being against abortion is a defensible opinion. Being against homosexuality is like being against Asians or Hispanics or ....

The only way I've seen people square that up by saying homosexuality is a choice. The few times I've heard that from someone, I respond with "So when did you choose to be straight?" which always gives pause.

 

[volfanjustin]

Why do you equate these two? One is a choice and one is not.

Being against abortion is a defensible opinion. Being against homosexuality is like being against Asians or Hispanics or ....

Choice or not, I just don't think it's right. If it were right a male and a male would be able to have a child together. It's not physically possible.

I am not saying beat someone because they are gay or jail them or kill them. I don't think they should be discriminated against by not giving them a job or anything like that. I just don't believe it's right.

And I don't see anyone as a bigot if they simply believe being gay is wrong.

 

[utvolpj]

Choice or not, I just don't think it's right. If it were right a male and a male would be able to have a child together. It's not physically possible.

so what do you say to hetero couples that aren't able to reproduce? Are they not able to legally marry either?

 

[lawgator1]

And I don't see anyone as a bigot if they simply believe being gay is wrong.

Wrong because its not your own preference?

Wrong because it is immoral according to some religious authority?

 

[volfanjustin]

so what do you say to hetero couples that aren't able to reproduce? Are they not able to legally marry either?

Not at all, those couples (my wife and I included) have the proper physical "equipment" to reproduce. Not even close to the same thing.

 

[utvolpj]

Not at all, those couples (my wife and I included) have the proper physical "equipment" to reproduce. Not even close to the same thing.

that's not always true either. There are hetero couples that will never be able to reproduce no matter how much straight sex they have. There's more to reproduction than simply having a penis and vagina

 

[volfanjustin]

Wrong because its not your own preference?

Wrong because it is immoral according to some religious authority?

I do always enjoy how you all pick one sentence out of a whole statement and want to argue one part of it. because I believe marriage should be 1 woman and 1 man. When 2 men or 2 women can have a baby together I might re examine my beliefs.

 

[n_huffhines]

Choice or not, I just don't think it's right. If it were right a male and a male would be able to have a child together. It's not physically possible.

I am not saying beat someone because they are gay or jail them or kill them. I don't think they should be discriminated against by not giving them a job or anything like that. I just don't believe it's right.

And I don't see anyone as a bigot if they simply believe being gay is wrong.

There are probably a lot of things you don't think are "right". That's a very vague way to put it. For instance, you might think cigarette smoking isn't "right", but you don't want to take away people's right to smoke, do you? What is so "wrong" with homosexuality that it makes you want to prohibit them certain rights?

 

[volfanjustin]

that's not always true either. There are hetero couples that will never be able to reproduce no matter how much straight sex they have. There's more to reproduction than simply having a penis and vagina

But that is a completely medical situation, you are trying to compare 2 different things.

 

[volfanjustin]

There are probably a lot of things you don't think are "right". That's a very vague way to put it. For instance, you might think cigarette smoking isn't "right", but you don't want to take away people's right to smoke, do you? What is so "wrong" with homosexuality that it makes you want to prohibit them certain rights?

You are comparing smoking to homosexuality? As I was told earlier when I mentioned abortion, I thought one was a choice and the other is not? Show me where gays have a right to marry.