Saquon Barkley is the best RB I've ever seen

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Lolz that would mean the Steelers are heavily invested in his development which they are not

He might not even be on the team anymore by the time Ben hangs it up. Or he could easily be drafted over right now he’s an afterthought and basically just a security blanket for this year

But you make it sound like he’s the garunteed heir apparent to Big Ben

The fact he was drafted in the 4th or 5th round makes him easily expendable

Comparing him to Rodgers when he was waiting behind Favre is one of the dumbest things I’ve seen you type

I never claimed to know what the Steelers are thinking and I don't care.

All I know is talent and Dobbs is the best QB prospect I've ever seen.

He'll get his shot at some point. And when he does, he'll be incredible. So even if the Steelers aren't bought into him right now, they will be when he finally plays some real games.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Couldn’t of been that much resistance unless you mean the hall of fame **** which is still laughable considering the shelf life of RBs in today’s nfl and the fact he’s in his rookie year

But still he was one of the best backs in the class and when he was drafted by the saints it didn’t take a genius to see it was a great fit with his pass catching ability he could be used similar to how sproles was when the saints had him

**** Dalvin Cook is about the only back I can think of that I thought would be better as a rookie

Kamara is world's better than Cook could ever be.

Only RB in his class from the 2017 draft was James Conner.

I said this about Alvin before the draft. That he was way better than Cook, Fournette, and McCaffrey.

 

[hndog609]

Kamara is putting up stats as a rookie not seen since Gale Sayers in 1965. Bosa just had a couple of good years of production.

There's a difference between the HISTORIC numbers Kamara is putting up and just a couple of good years by Bosa.

Historic huh? How about how Bosa is ALREADY in the HOF by virtue of his having the most sacks in NFL history through 20 games?

Joey Bosa's Historic Jersey on Display in Hall of Fame | Los Angeles Chargers

 

[TDawg]

I never claimed to know what the Steelers are thinking and I don't care.

All I know is talent and Dobbs is the best QB prospect I've ever seen.

He'll get his shot at some point. And when he does, he'll be incredible. So even if the Steelers aren't bought into him right now, they will be when he finally plays some real games.

:lolabove::lolabove::lolabove:

The second part of that above sentence disqualifies the first .. All everyone here knows is that you don't know talent. If Dobbs was a great passer he would have went higher in the draft and you can not be a QB in the NFL without the ability to be a great passer. Dobbs is good but far from great as a passer.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

:lolabove::lolabove::lolabove:

The second part of that above sentence disqualifies the first .. All everyone here knows is that you don't know talent. If Dobbs was a great passer he would have went higher in the draft and you can not be a QB in the NFL without the ability to be a great passer. Dobbs is good but far from great as a passer.

That assumes NFL draft evaluators know what they're doing. These are the same people that let Alvin Kamara fall to the 3rd round while taking Christian McCaffrey 8th overall. And they famously let Tom Brady go in the 6th round.

The NFL Draft isn't exactly a good source for judging talent. Its a place for judging how stupid the evaluators are.

And these NFL evaluators will look like idiots once again for letting Dobbs fall to the 4th round. He's a great passer. Those fools just didn't know it. Just like they didn't know Alvin was the worlds better than Christian McCaffrey.

 

[hndog609]

That assumes NFL draft evaluators know what they're doing. These are the same people that let Alvin Kamara fall to the 3rd round while taking Christian McCaffrey 8th overall. And they famously let Tom Brady go in the 6th round.

The NFL Draft isn't exactly a good source for judging talent. Its a place for judging how stupid the evaluators are.

And these NFL evaluators will look like idiots once again for letting Dobbs fall to the 4th round. He's a great passer. Those fools just didn't know it. Just like they didn't know Alvin was the worlds better than Christian McCaffrey.

We've covered this before but since you apparently have the contextual recall of a gnat let's try again.

There absolutely is uncertainty in drafting players. What one is hoping for is to limit the outright busts to outlier status. They are MUCH better at this than you are since your wins are the outliers and busts are the norm.

If "they" didn't know what they were doing the following wouldn't be the case. (breakdown of 2016 Pro Bowl)

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... if you break down the Pro Bowl rosters by draft round, the first round easily paces the other rounds. It's by how many that might come as a bit of a shock. There are 68 players who were selected to the Pro Bowl -- either by vote or as an injury or Super Bowl participant replacement -- who were first-round picks. In all of the other rounds, there are 48 Pro Bowl players. If you take into account undrafted players, there are 61 Pro Bowlers. There are more Pro Bowlers who went undrafted than Pro Bowlers picked in any other round beside the first round and the second round (14 players).

Want the really big picture? Scope out this site and look at the first two rounds vs all the others. Take special note of the huge 1st round count.


http://www.profootballhof.com/heroes-of-the-game/hall-of-famers-by-draft-round/


Finally lets scope out your own special "Picks I hated" list.

1. Jared Goff to the Rams.
Goff is in the top 10 in both yardage and rating while helming the league's #2 scoring offense.

2. Joey Bosa to the Chargers
DROTY who already has his jersey in Canton for racking up more sacks in his first 20 games than anyone in the history of the game. No one trick pony either as he's also tied for 4th in the league in combined tackles for DE's.

3. Deforest Buckner to the 49ers.
[/FONT]Currently the league's 3rd leading tackler from the DT position.

4. Leonard Floyd to the Bears
Hasn't made you look completely the fool as much as the others but is still tied for #21 in the league in sacks from the LB position (2nd on the Bears)

And then of course there's Taylor and Hogan and Hackenberg, etc. Oh, and in all the hilarity of you picking Taylor as the #2 RB in that draft do you recall who you picked at #3? That'd be Jonathan Williams. The only thing keeping you from taking more of a beating on that pick is Taylor being even worse. Oh yeah, and of backs with at least 100 carries (the normal cutoff for sample size) Derrick Henry, another projected bust, is #4 in the league at RB in ypc.

This is just a sampling of how utterly and completely mythical the idea of you having any sort of special skill at spotting talent is, especially compared to people that make a living at such things.

 

[BeardedVol]

We've covered this before but since you apparently have the contextual recall of a gnat let's try again.

There absolutely is uncertainty in drafting players. What one is hoping for is to limit the outright busts to outlier status. They are MUCH better at this than you are since your wins are the outliers and busts are the norm.

If "they" didn't know what they were doing the following wouldn't be the case. (breakdown of 2016 Pro Bowl)

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Want the really big picture? Scope out this site and look at the first two rounds vs all the others. Take special note of the huge 1st round count.


Hall of Famers by Draft Round - Hall of Famers | Pro Football Hall of Fame Official Site


Finally lets scope out your own special "Picks I hated" list.

1. Jared Goff to the Rams.
Goff is in the top 10 in both yardage and rating while helming the league's #2 scoring offense.

2. Joey Bosa to the Chargers
DROTY who already has his jersey in Canton for racking up more sacks in his first 20 games than anyone in the history of the game. No one trick pony either as he's also tied for 4th in the league in combined tackles for DE's.

3. Deforest Buckner to the 49ers.
[/FONT]Currently the league's 3rd leading tackler from the DT position.

4. Leonard Floyd to the Bears
Hasn't made you look completely the fool as much as the others but is still tied for #21 in the league in sacks from the LB position (2nd on the Bears)

And then of course there's Taylor and Hogan and Hackenberg, etc. Oh, and in all the hilarity of you picking Taylor as the #2 RB in that draft do you recall who you picked at #3? That'd be Jonathan Williams. The only thing keeping you from taking more of a beating on that pick is Taylor being even worse. Oh yeah, and of backs with at least 100 carries (the normal cutoff for sample size) Derrick Henry, another projected bust, is #4 in the league at RB in ypc.

This is just a sampling of how utterly and completely mythical the idea of you having any sort of special skill at spotting talent is, especially compared to people that make a living at such things.

 

[BIG BOI 23]

Kamara is world's better than Cook could ever be.

Only RB in his class from the 2017 draft was James Conner.

I said this about Alvin before the draft. That he was way better than Cook, Fournette, and McCaffrey.

If he didn’t get hurt he would have bigger numbers then kamara

He was killing it and he would of been the featured back on the team with the best record in the nfc

 

[n_huffhines]

If he didn’t get hurt he would have bigger numbers then kamara

He was killing it and he would of been the featured back on the team with the best record in the nfc

Cook wasn't even close to the same productivity on a per-touch basis and what good is this hypothetical if the reality is he can't sustain 21 touches per game?

 

[Vols410]

We've covered this before but since you apparently have the contextual recall of a gnat let's try again.

There absolutely is uncertainty in drafting players. What one is hoping for is to limit the outright busts to outlier status. They are MUCH better at this than you are since your wins are the outliers and busts are the norm.

If "they" didn't know what they were doing the following wouldn't be the case. (breakdown of 2016 Pro Bowl)

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Want the really big picture? Scope out this site and look at the first two rounds vs all the others. Take special note of the huge 1st round count.


Hall of Famers by Draft Round - Hall of Famers | Pro Football Hall of Fame Official Site


Finally lets scope out your own special "Picks I hated" list.

1. Jared Goff to the Rams.
Goff is in the top 10 in both yardage and rating while helming the league's #2 scoring offense.

2. Joey Bosa to the Chargers
DROTY who already has his jersey in Canton for racking up more sacks in his first 20 games than anyone in the history of the game. No one trick pony either as he's also tied for 4th in the league in combined tackles for DE's.

3. Deforest Buckner to the 49ers.
[/FONT]Currently the league's 3rd leading tackler from the DT position.

4. Leonard Floyd to the Bears
Hasn't made you look completely the fool as much as the others but is still tied for #21 in the league in sacks from the LB position (2nd on the Bears)

And then of course there's Taylor and Hogan and Hackenberg, etc. Oh, and in all the hilarity of you picking Taylor as the #2 RB in that draft do you recall who you picked at #3? That'd be Jonathan Williams. The only thing keeping you from taking more of a beating on that pick is Taylor being even worse. Oh yeah, and of backs with at least 100 carries (the normal cutoff for sample size) Derrick Henry, another projected bust, is #4 in the league at RB in ypc.

This is just a sampling of how utterly and completely mythical the idea of you having any sort of special skill at spotting talent is, especially compared to people that make a living at such things.

Thank you. Just paste this in response every time D4H opens his mouth.

 

[BIG BOI 23]

Cook wasn't even close to the same productivity on a per-touch basis and what good is this hypothetical if the reality is he can't sustain 21 touches per game?

I think he can it’s not like he missed a lot of time in college bad luck does happen esp to the vikings

Jmo but he was the best back in cfb and would of had a good 1200-1400 yards this year with at least 350+ receiving

But hell be back next year

Also ypc tends to be better when you split carries although kamaras is especially impressive

 

[CAVPUT]

The best I've seen:

Barry Sanders
Jim Brown
Gayle Sayers

The best UT RB I've seen would have to be Chuck Webb. Lots of great ones at UT over the years, but Webb was special until injuries took him.

 

[hndog609]

The best UT RB I've seen would have to be Chuck Webb. Lots of great ones at UT over the years, but Webb was special until injuries took him.

I actually hold it against the Pacific ocean just by association with Webb's injury.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

We've covered this before but since you apparently have the contextual recall of a gnat let's try again.

There absolutely is uncertainty in drafting players. What one is hoping for is to limit the outright busts to outlier status. They are MUCH better at this than you are since your wins are the outliers and busts are the norm.

If "they" didn't know what they were doing the following wouldn't be the case. (breakdown of 2016 Pro Bowl)

[FONT=&quot]
Want the really big picture? Scope out this site and look at the first two rounds vs all the others. Take special note of the huge 1st round count.


Hall of Famers by Draft Round - Hall of Famers | Pro Football Hall of Fame Official Site


Finally lets scope out your own special "Picks I hated" list.

1. Jared Goff to the Rams.
Goff is in the top 10 in both yardage and rating while helming the league's #2 scoring offense.

2. Joey Bosa to the Chargers
DROTY who already has his jersey in Canton for racking up more sacks in his first 20 games than anyone in the history of the game. No one trick pony either as he's also tied for 4th in the league in combined tackles for DE's.

3. Deforest Buckner to the 49ers.
[/FONT]Currently the league's 3rd leading tackler from the DT position.

4. Leonard Floyd to the Bears
Hasn't made you look completely the fool as much as the others but is still tied for #21 in the league in sacks from the LB position (2nd on the Bears)

And then of course there's Taylor and Hogan and Hackenberg, etc. Oh, and in all the hilarity of you picking Taylor as the #2 RB in that draft do you recall who you picked at #3? That'd be Jonathan Williams. The only thing keeping you from taking more of a beating on that pick is Taylor being even worse. Oh yeah, and of backs with at least 100 carries (the normal cutoff for sample size) Derrick Henry, another projected bust, is #4 in the league at RB in ypc.

This is just a sampling of how utterly and completely mythical the idea of you having any sort of special skill at spotting talent is, especially compared to people that make a living at such things.

I'm pretty sure RG3 looked like a slam dunk pick as a rookie and Nick Foles looked like a steal in 2013.

Last year you weren't saying a peep about Jared Goff. Now you think you got something.

I'm telling you he'll be back in bust-ville soon. All you're seeing this year is RG3/Nick Foles type mirage.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

If he didn’t get hurt he would have bigger numbers then kamara

He was killing it and he would of been the featured back on the team with the best record in the nfc

Nope. Cook is not in the same universe of player that Kamara is.

Stop making up hypotheticals. He's injured right now. Kamara isn't. Kamara has put up HISTORIC numbers given his touches. There is nothing to suggest Cook would have come close to Kamara's production.

 

[BearCat204]

Stop making up hypotheticals.

You serious Clark?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You serious Clark?

I don't make up hypotheticals. I talk straight facts. I.e. Alvin Kamara putting up historic per touch numbers right now and being compared to Hall of Famers. Those are facts not hypotheticals.

 

[hndog609]

I'm pretty sure RG3 looked like a slam dunk pick as a rookie and Nick Foles looked like a steal in 2013.

Last year you weren't saying a peep about Jared Goff. Now you think you got something.

I'm telling you he'll be back in bust-ville soon. All you're seeing this year is RG3/Nick Foles type mirage.

Why should I or anyone GAS about RBIII? Transitive property doesn't mean jack here breh. If someone is doing something then that's what's happening. This is another thing we've gone over multiple times but here we are again.

What you believe means NOTHING. If it's happening on the field then it's happening in reality. If and when the reality on the field and empirical data on the stat sheets say otherwise then so be it...you, or indeed anyone, doesn't get to "unhappen" reality just because it conflicts with your opinion.

 

[bamawriter]

I don't make up hypotheticals. I talk straight facts. I.e. Alvin Kamara putting up historic per touch numbers right now and being compared to Hall of Famers. Those are facts not hypotheticals.

You've argued that guys like Taylor and Hogan would succeed if given a chance, and thay guys like Bosa and Goff will inevitably come back to earth.

Do you know what the word "hypothetical" means?

 

[BIG BOI 23]

Nope. Cook is not in the same universe of player that Kamara is.

Stop making up hypotheticals. He's injured right now. Kamara isn't. Kamara has put up HISTORIC numbers given his touches. There is nothing to suggest Cook would have come close to Kamara's production.

Actually his 355 rush yds and 100 rec yds in 4 games suggest that he would of easily been in rookie of year discussion if not won it

What player did you watch in college to act like cook ain’t **** yet you beat off to Saquon Barkley like he’s the second coming

Long as as he comes back healthy next year he’ll make you look foolish like Bosa and many others

 

[BearCat204]

I don't make up hypotheticals. I talk straight facts. I.e. Alvin Kamara putting up historic per touch numbers right now and being compared to Hall of Famers. Those are facts not hypotheticals.

You wouldn't know a fact if it kicked you in the face. You make up more than hypotheticals, you also make up degrees and attending college.

 

[BIG BOI 23]

I'm pretty sure RG3 looked like a slam dunk pick as a rookie and Nick Foles looked like a steal in 2013.

Last year you weren't saying a peep about Jared Goff. Now you think you got something.

I'm telling you he'll be back in bust-ville soon. All you're seeing this year is RG3/Nick Foles type mirage.

You talk like you can see the future it’s hilarious

You just know it all when it comes to who’s gonna be good and who’s not

Todd Gurley looked like **** last year too the whole damn team did and that was all a result of Jeff Fisher being absolute trash

Goff sucks but Dobbs is a future hall of famer hahaha you’re too much man

Hell last year I thought Goff was for sure a bust but you don’t go from that bad to that good by being lucky or by trickery dude has shown week after week he has a hell of an arm

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Why should I or anyone GAS about RBIII? Transitive property doesn't mean jack here breh. If someone is doing something then that's what's happening. This is another thing we've gone over multiple times but here we are again.

What you believe means NOTHING. If it's happening on the field then it's happening in reality. If and when the reality on the field and empirical data on the stat sheets say otherwise then so be it...you, or indeed anyone, doesn't get to "unhappen" reality just because it conflicts with your opinion.

RG3 and Nick Foles are relevant because one year mirages happen. True greatness is defined by consistency. I'm simply 100% confident this Jared Goff year is pure fool's gold and he'll come crashing back down to earth next year when opposing coaches catch up to Sean McVay's gimmick. Just like they caught up to Chip Kelly's gimmick with Nick Foles in 2013.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You've argued that guys like Taylor and Hogan would succeed if given a chance, and thay guys like Bosa and Goff will inevitably come back to earth.

Do you know what the word "hypothetical" means?

I also said I was willing to finally give those guys their due or give up on Hogan and Taylor if they showed nothing by year 3-4.

There nothing hypothetical about that. Its me sticking to my original predictions and not jumping ship after a little initial adversity.

If I said Tom Brady would be the greatest QB of all time before the 2000 draft, you guys would be calling for me to give up on him after year 1 where he was buried in the depth chart. Or even after the preseason in year 2 when he was still the backup. Or even after his first couple of years where despite the wins, he was being carried by a dominant defense and run game. How silly would I have looked giving up on him that early? Or vice versa. If I said RG3 would be a bust before the 2012 draft, how silly would I be to go back on that projection after he had a historic rookie season?

There is no reason for me to change any of my projections for these players this early in their careers. For certain guys like Dak Prescott who I have seen exceed my expectations, I have admited my mistake and corrected on him.

There is nothing I have seen from Jared Goff or Joey Bosa that leads me to think their initial flukey success is sustainable. NOTHING.

 

[Burger]

I also said I was willing to finally give those guys their due or give up on Hogan and Taylor if they showed nothing by year 3-4.

There nothing hypothetical about that. Its me sticking to my original predictions and not jumping ship after a little initial adversity.

If I said Tom Brady would be the greatest QB of all time before the 2000 draft, you guys would be calling for me to give up on him after year 1 where he was buried in the depth chart. Or even after the preseason in year 2 when he was still the backup. Or even after his first couple of years where despite the wins, he was being carried by a dominant defense and run game. How silly would I have looked giving up on him that early? Or vice versa. If I said RG3 would be a bust before the 2012 draft, how silly would I be to go back on that projection after he had a historic rookie season?

There is no reason for me to change any of my projections for these players this early in their careers. For certain guys like Dak Prescott who I have seen exceed my expectations, I have admited my mistake and corrected on him.

There is nothing I have seen from Jared Goff or Joey Bosa that leads me to think their initial flukey success is sustainable. NOTHING.

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