Saquon Barkley is the best RB I've ever seen

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#776
VolsSportsFan said:
So how exactly does D4H measure Hurd’s production......could it be....STATS?

(Church Lady reference for you old people).
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Can’t be statistics/actual measures of actual performance and activity. Nah, gotta be hours of film study, no?
 
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#778
bamawriter said:
Without production, talent is meaningless.
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D4H's take on "talent" is his personal bastardization of the old "potential" term. It's supposed to be a positive but is generally useless in describing a player's actual worth on the field. It's how you get people like Bosa and Goff balling out vs Taylor and Kayaa who can't hold an active roster.
 
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#783
tumscalcium said:
Kamara is the best back in the NFL?
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Of course he isn’t. Bell, Gurley, McCoy, etc. But Alvin is awfully talented, awfully effective in a system that is perfect for him, while he splits time as the change up back. He’s had a fantastic rookie year and I believe he’ll have a great nfl career. But no, he’s not nearly the best back in the league....all while still being light years better than Jalen Hurd.
 
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#784
tumscalcium said:
Kamara is the best back in the NFL?
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On a planet where Todd Gurley didn’t just put up 2000 yards from scrimmage maybe but hey some smart folks might even argue with Mark Ingram’s 1100 rush yards vs Kamara’s 700 he isn’t even the best RB on his team
 
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bamawriter said:
His production required an obscene number of carries. He was never a home run threat. That's why he is no longer a running back.
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You don't need to be a home run threat to be effective as a RB. And we've seen high carry guys like Eddie George have success in the league. There is a place for the thumper that wears down the defense for 3 quarters so that by the 4th quarter they are getting gashed.

Jalen Hurd will probably never play RB in the NFL. But just watch how the other RBs I tout as much I did Hurd do. Alvin Kamara has been what I said he would be. Next up is Saquon Barkley. He'll redefine the RB position. And also look for James Conner (a guy compares favorably to Jalen Hurd).
 
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KBVol said:
Of course he isn’t. Bell, Gurley, McCoy, etc. But Alvin is awfully talented, awfully effective in a system that is perfect for him, while he splits time as the change up back. He’s had a fantastic rookie year and I believe he’ll have a great nfl career. But no, he’s not nearly the best back in the league....all while still being light years better than Jalen Hurd.
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Alvin Kamara is the best RB in the NFL right now (by a WIDE margin).

Keep being late to the party. You spent all of last year fellating Dalvin Cook as the best RB in the draft while I repeatedly told you that it was Kamara.

Once Mark Ingram is gone and it's the Alvin Kamara show, he'll break records. 1,000 yards rushing and 1,000 yards receiving is a given. I think he also breaks Marshall Faulk's record for yards from scrimmage.

Alvin Kamara = future Hall of Famer
 
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KBVol said:
Hurd was decent as a freshman, pretty good as a sophomore, and absolutely horrific as a junior. Slow, plodding, no burst, poor instincts, went to the ground way too easy for his size......John Kelly was light years better at breaking tackles. Hurd’s best attributes were in pass blocking and catching the ball out of the backfield. Much, much, much more likely to be a good receiver in the nfl (which is beyond a long shot) than he ever was a good running back.

I work with a guy who is in MTSU’s hall of fame as probably the best running back in school history. He’s from Knoxville, was a beast in high school, but he’s not really big, Tennessee (particularly Coach Cut) recruited him as a DB, he wanted to play running back, so he went to MTSU.....played with Kelly Holcomb and Jeremy Pruitt before he transferred to Alabama. His opinion of Hurd? “He’s terrible, just terrible....slow as hell and terrible”.
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Oh great you named one guy's opinion.

Now can you tell us what Jalen's mom said to you that got you so mad?
 
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BIG BOI 23 said:
That comment alone shows dumb the poor kid is

Dobbs is somehow great in his mind but McSorely who consistently drops dimes is mediocre and somehow a running back makes his great on target passes possible lol
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This is why I say lets see who is right in the NFL. It'll decide this question.

If Dobbs doesn't ball out in the NFL I'll apologize for ever thinking he was good. If McSorely balls out in the NFL I'll apologize for ever saying he wasn't good.

The NFL will settle this question.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
You don't need to be a home run threat to be effective as a RB. And we've seen high carry guys like Eddie George have success in the league. There is a place for the thumper that wears down the defense for 3 quarters so that by the 4th quarter they are getting gashed.
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George was a home run threat.

And thus ends another episode of "D4H Talks from His A**."
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
This is why I say lets see who is right in the NFL. It'll decide this question.

If Dobbs doesn't ball out in the NFL I'll apologize for ever thinking he was good. If McSorely balls out in the NFL I'll apologize for ever saying he wasn't good.

The NFL will settle this question.
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Nope because is a great college quarterback and your statement of him being good because of a RB is retarded

Dobbs couldn’t pass the ball accurately in college there for he most likely never will in the nfl

His running abilities won’t be near as good either he won’t look as fast and he won’t break near as many tackles

But McSorely definitely has a better shot he’s just a little too short most likely
 
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bamawriter said:
Many running backs compare favorably to Hurd because many, many running backs are better than Hurd.
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I meant more in the sense that they are very similar. Hurd is just bigger. But both are very similar RBs.

I expect James Conner to have a Hall of Fame caliber career.
 
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bamawriter said:
George was a home run threat.

And thus ends another episode of "D4H Talks from His A**."
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A couple of long runs in a 9 year career don't make you a home run threat. Eddie George had a career average of 3.6 YPC. He was the definition of 3 yards and a cloud of dust. He made his name as a physical bruiser that wore down a defense.

But go ahead and make out a guy with a 3.6 YPC average for his career into a home run threat cause he busts a couple of long runs in a 9 year NFL career.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
A couple of long runs in a 9 year career don't make you a home run threat. Eddie George had a career average of 3.6 YPC. He was the definition of 3 yards and a cloud of dust. He made his name as a physical bruiser that wore down a defense.

But go ahead and make out a guy with a 3.6 YPC average for his career into a home run threat cause he busts a couple of long runs in a 9 year NFL career.
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As opposed to Jalen Hurd, who never broke a 50 yarder in 3 years against college defenses?
 
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BIG BOI 23 said:
Nope because is a great college quarterback and your statement of him being good because of a RB is retarded

Dobbs couldn’t pass the ball accurately in college there for he most likely never will in the nfl

His running abilities won’t be near as good either he won’t look as fast and he won’t break near as many tackles

But McSorely definitely has a better shot he’s just a little too short most likely
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So let me get this straight, even if Dobbs becomes a star NFL QB, you'll still claim he wasn't a good passer in college?

That makes no sense. If he becomes a star NFL QB (no matter how remote you think that is right now), it'll prove he was a great passer in college. You'll just have to admit you were wrong all along.

I'll tell you right now, I have ZERO doubt Dobbs will be a great passer in the NFL. ZERO. Why? Because I saw him be a great passer in college. Maybe you weren't smart enough to see it. Just as I'm betting you weren't smart enough to see Alvin Kamara turning into a SUPERSTAR in the NFL as I predicted many times last year.

I'm confident Dobbs will prove me right. Just as Alvin Kamara has proven me right this year.
 
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bamawriter said:
As opposed to Jalen Hurd, who never broke a 50 yarder in 3 years against college defenses?
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Alvin didn't have a 70+ yard TD run in college but then did it in the NFL this year.

Just cause it didn't happen at one level doesn't mean it can't happen in the next.

Plus I don't care much for 50+ yard runs. Alvin isn't a 50+ yard run threat either. His greatness lies in incredible acceleration which allows him to get 10-20 yard runs more than anybody else. You'll notice Alvin doesn't have more than 1 50-yard run this year but yet he leads the league in YPC and that's because he's getting 10-20 yard runs more than anybody else.

Sometimes great initial explosion, vision, and power to break tackles is more important than "home run" speed. For example, look at Reggie Bush. He was significantly faster than Alvin Kamara could ever dream to be. But in the same exact system as a rookie, Reggie Bush averaged 3.6 YPC as a rookie while Alvin is currently averaging 6.2 YPC.
 
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