Saquon Barkley is the best RB I've ever seen

[bamawriter]

100% true. All he cared about was Jalen Hurd, calling him the “Calvin Johnson of running backs”, and other similar nonsense. Not once did he ever say what a lot of us did, which was Alvin should’ve gotten no worse than 40-50% of the running back touches, rather than the 10-15-20% that Kamara got when Hurd was on the roster. To the contrary, he pretty advocated that Hurd got as many touches as he could handle and that Kamara got whatever scraps were leftover.

And D4H has never backed off his initial Hurd assessment.

 

[TDawg]

100% true. All he cared about was Jalen Hurd, calling him the “Calvin Johnson of running backs”, and other similar nonsense. Not once did he ever say what a lot of us did, which was Alvin should’ve gotten no worse than 40-50% of the running back touches, rather than the 10-15-20% that Kamara got when Hurd was on the roster. To the contrary, he pretty advocated that Hurd got as many touches as he could handle and that Kamara got whatever scraps were leftover.

So he cuddles with Hurd's jock but says he wasn't impressed by Herschel Walker??? You can't make this stuff up.

Kamara should have had a minimum of 50% of the touches and been featured in a lot of games. Would have prepared him better for a 16 game grind in the league. AK has never had that responsibility since leaving HS and that's unfortunate with that much talent.

 

[TDawg]

And D4H has never backed off his initial Hurd assessment.

Which is freaking weird. Like other D4H assessments, just proves a complete lack of understanding of the game at several positions .. QB, OL, LB, RB .. maybe WR (comparing ANYONE to Jerry Rice should be grounds for having your ability to post taken away .. damn near jail time)

 

[KBVol]

And D4H has never backed off his initial Hurd assessment.

Still hasn’t, although Hurd has quit even playing the position and he tries to transition to WR ....6’4”, 220lb, #84 in your Baylor program.

Maybe he’s gonna try to be the “Calvin Johnson of all WRs” now. Lol.

 

[TDawg]

Still hasn’t, although Hurd has quit even playing the position and he tries to transition to WR ....6’4”, 220lb, #84 in your Baylor program.

Maybe he’s gonna try to be the “Calvin Johnson of all WRs” now. Lol.

Hurd gonna out Calvin Johnson ... Calvin Johnson:good!:

 

[hndog609]

Sproles is a great comparison, and maybe more Kevin Faulk than Marshall Faulk. Gurley, I believe is also leading his team in receptions also. The guy is a horse.

Sproles is a pretty good comparison but suffers in the speed comparison like with Faulk. Sproles was actually another track guy who got as high as 2nd in the state at 200m and 4th in 100m. Kamara simply isn't in that speed class. He's not a plodder by any means but is a good couple notches down from track speed guys.

I've always thought him more of a Brian Westbrook. Check out the comparison.

BW 40/4.57 3cone/7.09
AK /4.56 /7.10

Check out BW's highlights and see what you think.

I forgot to add that BW was a superlative receiver out of the backfield. In 2007 he was #14 in receptions with 90. The next highest RB was Reggie Bush at #25 with 73.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

And in case anyone isn’t clear, not once did D4H ever advocate for Alvin while he was at Tennessee. As a matter of fact, he would argue with anyone who dared suggest that Alvin should take any touches/playing time away from Jalen Hurd, whom D4H proclaimed a generational RB talent, a first round NFL pick and the hands down best running back in nation. Alvin was never more than an afterthought for the world’s greatest self-proclaimed talent evaluator.

I’ll even go as far to say that D4H didn’t believe one word that he posted about AK being a great NFL player....he just threw him into the mix of players from Tennessee he reflexively said would be all-pros and first ballot-HOFers from last year’s class. Nothing more, nothing less.

This is all true about 2015.

I changed my tune on Alvin during the 2016 season after he changed his body and became a much better player. When players improve, I give them their due. In 2015 Kamara was not close to 2015 Hurd. And I still stand by that. I've never changed my tune.

What I did was say in 2016 after Alvin improved that he surpassed Hurd and became the best RB in the country. When someone improves I give them their due. If you remember I also changed my tune on Danny O'Brien and Kendal Vickers in 2016 cause they improved greatly from 2015. And for the record, everything I said about Alvin becoming a Hall of Famer in the NFL happened before the 2017 draft. This isn't no revisionist after the fact stuff. I was out in front of this when everyone else thought Cook and Fournette were better. And that included you buddy.

2015 Hurd >>> 2015 Kamara
2016 Kamara >>> any version of Hurd

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Uhhh .. really? Wasn't aware that he dissed AK in that fashion. I knew about his love for Hurd when he compared him to Eddie George .. which the only thing the two are comparable in is size, otherwise, Hurd was nowhere near the back George was or he'd still be a RB and finishing his career with one college.

I never dissed Alvin. I just didn't think he was better than Hurd in 2015. And I still don't today. Go back and watch 2015 tape. The Alvin Kamara we see today is totally different than the Alvin Kamara that was at Tennessee that year.

KBVol just has had a personal vendetta against Hurd from the jump. My guess is Hurd's mother turned down his advances. His shtick as has never really been pro-Kamara as it has been anti-Hurd.

If he was pro-Alvin he would have never had Dalvin Cook and Leonard Fournette rated as better RBs. Its funny cause in 2016 I was the only person here that said Kamara was the best RB in the draft. KBVol had a hard-on for Dalvin Cook instead. And now he has the nerve to say I preferred Hurd. Sure in 2015. And I still prefer the 2015 version of Hurd over the 2015 version of Kamara. But after 2016 I had Alvin Kamara rated over every RB in college football. Something KBVol has never done.

So please tell me now who is hating on Alvin?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Still hasn’t, although Hurd has quit even playing the position and he tries to transition to WR ....6’4”, 220lb, #84 in your Baylor program.

Maybe he’s gonna try to be the “Calvin Johnson of all WRs” now. Lol.

Hurd can be as good as he wants to be. I still believe he will be a star in the NFL whether it's at WR or TE.

He's a special athlete.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Sproles is a pretty good comparison but suffers in the speed comparison like with Faulk. Sproles was actually another track guy who got as high as 2nd in the state at 200m and 4th in 100m. Kamara simply isn't in that speed class. He's not a plodder by any means but is a good couple notches down from track speed guys.

I've always thought him more of a Brian Westbrook. Check out the comparison.

BW 40/4.57 3cone/7.09
AK /4.56 /7.10

Check out BW's highlights and see what you think.

I forgot to add that BW was a superlative receiver out of the backfield. In 2007 he was #14 in receptions with 90. The next highest RB was Reggie Bush at #25 with 73.

Silly comps.

Alvin is Marshall Faulk 2.0.

He's also gonna be a first ballot Hall of Famer.

2 things I said last year before the draft that nobody else said.

 

[bamawriter]

Hurd can be as good as he wants to be. I still believe he will be a star in the NFL whether it's at WR or TE.

He's a special athlete.

He's slow and plodding.

 

[hndog609]

Silly comps.

Alvin is Marshall Faulk 2.0.

He's also gonna be a first ballot Hall of Famer.

2 things I said last year before the draft that nobody else said.

I was addressing someone I consider having a worthy opinion...not you.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

He's slow and plodding.

He's fast enough to be a great NFL TE.

Plus I disagree with you on slow and plodding. We'll see how he does next year. I have confidence in Jalen like I did in Alvin. And we all saw how that turned out.

I'm guessing you didn't agree with me saying Alvin was the best RB in the 2017 draft and a future Hall of Famer in the mold of Marshall Faulk.

 

[TDawg]

He's fast enough to be a great NFL TE.

Plus I disagree with you on slow and plodding. We'll see how he does next year. I have confidence in Jalen like I did in Alvin. And we all saw how that turned out.

I'm guessing you didn't agree with me saying Alvin was the best RB in the 2017 draft and a future Hall of Famer in the mold of Marshall Faulk.

None of which has proven to be true yet by the way. You wanting it to be doesn't make it so. AK is 60+ touches shy even when you combine rushing and receiving of what Fournette has JUST in rushing, and if you can't understand how HUGE of a difference that makes, then this game is further beyond your understanding than we already thought.

Now, let's address your constant "go back and watch the tape" statements. I bet I am not the only one that feels this way in this thread but I would bet a small english pony that I have seen FAR AND AWAY more football and know FAR AND AWAY more about the game and how it's played than you do. So how about saving us the "go back and watch the tape" stuff? Most everyone who would has a clue could see in either 2015 or 2016 that Hurd was an average back .. AT BEST. And in 2014 and into 2015, despite his large frame, he shied away from a lot of hits instead of trying to get the tough yards. I was always a believer that on teams that didn't have a Dallas Cowboys offensive line, Emmitt Smith doesn't come close to the career he had but that was one tough dude and so many times he would turn in to get an extra 5+ yards rather than just run out of bounds.

The problem is, you become such a fan of these guys that they are suddenly "future all-pros" or "future Hall of Famers" when their actual ability often says otherwise. You can't seem to look at it from an objective point of view and separate yourself from the fandom aspect of it and to everyone else on here, hit's pretty obvious.

 

[bamawriter]

He's fast enough to be a great NFL TE.

Plus I disagree with you on slow and plodding. We'll see how he does next year. I have confidence in Jalen like I did in Alvin. And we all saw how that turned out.

I'm guessing you didn't agree with me saying Alvin was the best RB in the 2017 draft and a future Hall of Famer in the mold of Marshall Faulk.

I've given you credit on the Kamara pick.

However, you were calling Hurd the best back in the SEC going into 2016, and he turned out to be the worst. So if you want credit for a good prediction, you have to own a terrible one.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I've given you credit on the Kamara pick.

However, you were calling Hurd the best back in the SEC going into 2016, and he turned out to be the worst. So if you want credit for a good prediction, you have to own a terrible one.

Its obvious that was because Hurd had issues with Butch Jones and broken promises on what type of offense he was gonna run.

I still stand by my assessment of Hurd's talent. And I still think he'll be a star in the NFL even at a different.

 

[Biopsyman]

Bo Jackson was amazing. However, I wasn't impressed with Herschel Walker. Yes he was big and fast but he was very stiff and didn't have much wiggle.

Walker had a jet engine on his back in college.... Real fast

 

[bamawriter]

Its obvious that was because Hurd had issues with Butch Jones and broken promises on what type of offense he was gonna run.

I still stand by my assessment of Hurd's talent. And I still think he'll be a star in the NFL even at a different.

The offense might have been a problem. Heck, it probably was. And if Hurd had been great in '14 and '15, we might say that the internal issues caused his decline in '16. The problem was that he was nothing more than above average in his first two seasons. And if his internal issues can cause him to become a steaming pile of suck, then an NFL team would be retarded to do anything more than sign him as a UFA.

 

[KBVol]

This is all true about 2015.

I changed my tune on Alvin during the 2016 season after he changed his body and became a much better player. When players improve, I give them their due. In 2015 Kamara was not close to 2015 Hurd. And I still stand by that. I've never changed my tune.

What I did was say in 2016 after Alvin improved that he surpassed Hurd and became the best RB in the country. When someone improves I give them their due. If you remember I also changed my tune on Danny O'Brien and Kendal Vickers in 2016 cause they improved greatly from 2015. And for the record, everything I said about Alvin becoming a Hall of Famer in the NFL happened before the 2017 draft. This isn't no revisionist after the fact stuff. I was out in front of this when everyone else thought Cook and Fournette were better. And that included you buddy.

2015 Hurd >>> 2015 Kamara
2016 Kamara >>> any version of Hurd

Wow. Talk about some serious revisionist history. Not surprised....you’re so full of ish it’s unbelievable.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Wow. Talk about some serious revisionist history. Not surprised....you’re so full of ish it’s unbelievable.

How is it revisionist when in 2016 you were attacking me for changing my tune on Alvin? We did this same song and dance last year because you got mad that I started hyping up Alvin Kamara instead of Jalen Hurd. You obviously have some vendetta against Hurd and used Alvin just as a tool to attack him. So in 2016 when I started saying Alvin Kamara was the next Marshall Faulk and a future Hall of Famer in the NFL you got mad and start calling me out for what I said in 2015 about Hurd being better. And I told you last year like I'm telling you now that Jalen Hurd was better than Alvin in 2015 but that Alvin improved over the summer in 2016 became much better and as a result earned my respect as being better than Hurd.

I didn't wait until this year when everyone has now jumped on Alvin's bandwagon as the best RB from the 2017 draft. I was the first person on this site or anywhere else that said Alvin Kamara was the next Marshall Faulk. I was the first person anywhere that said he would be a NFL Hall of Famer. And I was one of the few people that rated him as the best RB available in the draft ahead of Fournette and Cook (two guys who you touted as the class of the RB position in that draft).

You're just mad that everything I said about Alvin going into the draft turned out to be true so you're now trying to make me out to being some guy that just jumped on Alvin's bandwagon late when that couldn't be further from the truth. I AM THE ONE WHO STARTED THE ALVIN KAMARA BANDWAGON. Nobody said Alvin would be a superstar in the NFL before I did. Nobody said Alvin was the #1 RB in the 2017 Draft before I did. Nobody said Alvin was the next Marshall Faulk before I did. Nobody said Alvin would be a Hall of Famer in the NFL before I did.

I was right about Alvin when I needed to be. In 2015 he was not close to the player he became in 2016. I saw that incredible talent earlier than anybody else and I vocalized it clearly with several CLEAR PREDICTIONS. I said he was the #1 rated RB in the 2017 Draft. I said he would be a future Hall of Famer in the NFL. And I said his closest pro comparison was Marshall Faulk. Those are all statements I said repeatedly last year that I was constantly attacked for. You are the one spreading a revisionist history around here not me.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

And just for argument's sake, a player who I don't think has much potential right now is Jarrett Guarantano. He showed me nothing last year to think he can be a good player. I saw more from Will McBride and would rather see him get a shot to be the starter next year. However, if Jarrett has some amazing turnaround this summer and turns into a great QB next year, you best believe I will give him his due and start touting his ability.

KBVol is just mad that EVERYTHING I said about Alvin is coming true. He's mad that I was the first one to say Alvin was a better NFL prospect than Fournette, Cook, or McCaffrey. Players who he favored over Kamara. He's also mad that my prediction that Alvin would become a Marshall Faulk type player in the NFL has come true. And that he's well on his way to a Hall of Fame career.

Keep getting mad at Alvin fufilling everything I said he would do. I can't wait to see how mad you get when Dobbs, Sutton, and Hurd accomplish the things I said they would accomplish as well.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

The offense might have been a problem. Heck, it probably was. And if Hurd had been great in '14 and '15, we might say that the internal issues caused his decline in '16. The problem was that he was nothing more than above average in his first two seasons. And if his internal issues can cause him to become a steaming pile of suck, then an NFL team would be retarded to do anything more than sign him as a UFA.

You see I disagree with you on that. I thought he was SPECTACULAR in 2014 and 2015. Hurd just didn't have a great offensive line or offensive scheme that suited his skill set. If he was on Alabama instead of Tennessee those years and was running behind a great offensive line in a pro-style set, I believe he wins a Heisman. We'll never know whether I'm right on this front because Jalen is unlikely to play RB in the NFL.

The reason I favor the NFL is deciding these things is because we see it all too many times how guys have this great production in college only to see it disappear in the NFL while a guy who had moderate production in college turns into a stud in the NFL. Just look at Alvin Kamara vs Christian McCaffrey. Even if you take the huge difference in touches out, McCaffrey at Stanford averaged the same number of yards per rush over his career that Alvin averaged at Tennessee on a significantly larger volume. Now compare it to the NFL where Alvin is averaging way more yards per rush than McCaffrey. If you just used college numbers you would say McCaffrey was way better than Alvin. But McCaffrey played behind a much better offensive line. An offensive line that this year allowed another player
(Bryce Love) to be up for a Heisman.

A lot of times system and the players around you plays a huge part in your statistical success in college. That is why we see busts every year in the NFL that put up huge numbers in college.

 

[volnbama_]

This is all true about 2015.

I changed my tune on Alvin during the 2016 season after he changed his body and became a much better player. When players improve, I give them their due. In 2015 Kamara was not close to 2015 Hurd. And I still stand by that. I've never changed my tune.

What I did was say in 2016 after Alvin improved that he surpassed Hurd and became the best RB in the country. When someone improves I give them their due. If you remember I also changed my tune on Danny O'Brien and Kendal Vickers in 2016 cause they improved greatly from 2015. And for the record, everything I said about Alvin becoming a Hall of Famer in the NFL happened before the 2017 draft. This isn't no revisionist after the fact stuff. I was out in front of this when everyone else thought Cook and Fournette were better. And that included you buddy.

2015 Hurd >>> 2015 Kamara
2016 Kamara >>> any version of Hurd

I’ve seen you brag about Kendal Vickers quite a bit but he’s one of the worst DTs in all of college football. That’s not an opinion, it’s a fact

 

[bamawriter]

How is it revisionist when in 2016 you were attacking me for changing my tune on Alvin? We did this same song and dance last year because you got mad that I started hyping up Alvin Kamara instead of Jalen Hurd.

So, once Hurd became the worst back in the conference, you started praising his backup. Way to go, Captain Hindsight.

I was right about Alvin when I needed to be.

How convenient that you "needed to be" right after your best back in the SEC and Heisman contender took a steaming dump all over your predictions.

 

[bamawriter]

A lot of times system and the players around you plays a huge part in your statistical success in college. That is why we see busts every year in the NFL that put up huge numbers in college.

Yeah, it's the system that kept every other college program from offering Hurd as a running back after he flamed out. Do you even think before hitting "submit"?