Saquon Barkley is the best RB I've ever seen

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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Looks like my Saquon Barkley take is perfectly in line with most NFL scouts and GMs:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etECuIDckWE[/youtube]
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Let’s be real. It’s the take of the entire world that he’s the best RB in the draft. No one disagrees there.

Now, when you say he’s the best of all time, that’s when people disagree with you.
 
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Vols410 said:
Let’s be real. It’s the take of the entire world that he’s the best RB in the draft. No one disagrees there.

Now, when you say he’s the best of all time, that’s when people disagree with you.
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The title to the thread says "the best RB I've ever seen". And if you read my first post in this thread, I limit that opinion to when I started watching the NFL regularly (around the year 2000).

And if you watch that video, the reporter says that scouts and GMs are telling her Saquon Barkley is the best RB they've seen in the last 20 years. That falls right in line with when I started watching the NFL and thus puts them in agreement with my take that he's the best RB I've ever seen.

I never claimed to have seen every RB in NFL history.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
The title to the thread says "the best RB I've ever seen". And if you read my first post in this thread, I limit that opinion to when I started watching the NFL regularly (around the year 2000).

And if you watch that video, the reporter says that scouts and GMs are telling her Saquon Barkley is the best RB they've seen in the last 20 years. That falls right in line with when I started watching the NFL and thus puts them in agreement with my take that he's the best RB I've ever seen.

I never claimed to have seen every RB in NFL history.
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She said some people (who knows if that's 1 or 5) said that he "could be" the best RB of the last 20 years. You're so desperate for validation. I would bet almost every year that there is a top 10 pick at RB, there are some people in the NFL who think he "could be" the best RB of the last 20 years.

Again, after his 2016 season, literally everybody thought he was the best prospect for the 2018 draft.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
The 2017 and 2018 NFL Drafts will define the NFL for the next 8 years. Most of the superstars who will dominate the NFL from 2019-2025 will come from these two EPIC draft classes.
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This is why it is difficult to take you too seriously you flip flop in the same paragraph. will they last for 8 years or 6? and no ish they will have success, whats the average lifespan of an NFL career? 6 years is the average career for a starter so you aren't setting any bars here.
 
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LouderVol said:
This is why it is difficult to take you too seriously you flip flop in the same paragraph. will they last for 8 years or 6? and no ish they will have success, whats the average lifespan of an NFL career? 6 years is the average career for a starter so you aren't setting any bars here.
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The point of that statement was not to say the 2017 and 2018 classes would have runs longer than others in the past. It only meant to convey that compared to their PEERS (other draft classes slightly before them and slightly after them), they will vastly outperform them.

For example, in this current era, the defining draft class of the last 10 years has been the 2011 NFL Draft. It has produced superstars such as JJ Watt, Julio Jones, Cam Newton, Patrick Peterson, Richard Sherman, AJ Green, etc. Guys who have defined this era of NFL football that we are watching.

I expect the 2017 and 2018 drafts to set a similar tone for the future. They should define the early 2020s of NFL football. Most of the All-Pro and Pro-Bowl teams of the early 2020s will be dominated by players from these 2 drafts. Just as the 2011 draft has dominated the All-Pro teams for much of the last 5 years.

Some drafts are better than others. My point is that when we will look back at the 2017 and 2018 drafts we will see 2 of the better drafts in NFL history.
 
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n_huffhines said:
He was the #1 RB prospect from this draft class long before you made this thread.
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And yet a large majority of this thread is people arguing with me early last season that other guys like Bryce Love are actually better and that Barkley is overrated because he wasn't running for 200 yards every game.

I never claimed to have discovered him. I only said that I thought he was the best RB I've ever seen.

Its the rest of ya'll that have spent the last year arguing with me that he isn't as good as I've made him out to be. Now ya'll are saying me to shut up talking about how good he is because ya'll knew it all along.

You guys need to keep your story straight. I suggest reading back over this thread.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
And yet a large majority of this thread is people arguing with me early last season that other guys like Bryce Love are actually better and that Barkley is overrated because he wasn't running for 200 yards every game.

Its the rest of ya'll that have spent the last year arguing with me that he isn't as good as I've made him out to be. Now ya'll are saying me to shut up talking about how good he is because ya'll knew it all along.

You guys need to keep your story straight. I suggest reading back over this thread.
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I was one of the people arguing with you about Bryce Love. Love was a better college RB, no question. Once you clarified that you were talking about SB as an NFL prospect, I/we agreed with you that he was the better prospect.

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You keep talking about talent but I'm talking about results. Love is doing better against better competition. Twice the rushing yards on only 16 more carries. If you're even right about the talent disparity*, my response is talent only takes you so far.
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*Bryce Love = run of the mill great college player vs. Saquon Barkley = once in a lifetime talent

n_huffhines said:
I agree that Barkley is probably the better NFL prospect because of the receiving threat, but clearly one is outplaying the other. Stats aren't everything, but when somebody has significantly better stats against better competition (and the other guy is on a better team), there is nothing really to debate.
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Dont post much, but its really getting old. First, judging a players career based on looks is absolutely ridiculous. Peyton Manning=Ugly SOB, Drew Brees has a growth on his face, Tyreek Hill yikes, Reggie White=Ugly, Terrell Suggs=Wow. I could go on and on. Second, you are sooooo desperate for E-cred and validation its sad and pitiful. Seems like I find a story on NFL.com or an article on pre-draft rising prospects then a day later I see posts on here claiming you "found" the next star. In fact you just regurgitate what the experts say and claim it as your own. Third, the player comparisons are getting old. No two players are exactly the same. For such a "great scout" they are lazy. Anybody can say "so and so is the next Emmitt Smith". How about listing the traits that makes that player special and why they are going to excel at the next level. When touting a player give a full breakdown instead of just "he's the next Rod Woodson!". You would get more respect in my opinion.
 
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Jpcisco said:
Dont post much, but its really getting old. First, judging a players career based on looks is absolutely ridiculous. Peyton Manning=Ugly SOB, Drew Brees has a growth on his face, Tyreek Hill yikes, Reggie White=Ugly, Terrell Suggs=Wow. I could go on and on. Second, you are sooooo desperate for E-cred and validation its sad and pitiful. Seems like I find a story on NFL.com or an article on pre-draft rising prospects then a day later I see posts on here claiming you "found" the next star. In fact you just regurgitate what the experts say and claim it as your own. Third, the player comparisons are getting old. No two players are exactly the same. For such a "great scout" they are lazy. Anybody can say "so and so is the next Emmitt Smith". How about listing the traits that makes that player special and why they are going to excel at the next level. When touting a player give a full breakdown instead of just "he's the next Rod Woodson!". You would get more respect in my opinion.
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Don't forget about "Jalen Hurd is the RB version of Calvin Johnson".
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Last year's draft is all-time great as well. I think 2018 is just a hair better. Primarily because there is better top-end talent in 2018 while having just as much (if not more) depth as 2017.

This is how I break down the position groups in the 2 drafts:

QB - advantage 2018 (Dobbs is the best QB in either class but after him I would say Darnold, Allen, Rosen, and Lamar are better than the other QBs in the 2017 draft)

RB - advantage 2018 (both drafts are great at RB but 2018 has slightly better top-end talent as well as better depth in day 2 and 3)

WR - advantage 2018 (neither WR class is hugely impressive but 2018 has slightly more top-end talent in rounds 1-3)

TE - advantage 2017 (huge edge to 2017, the TE class in 2017 is all-time great)

OL - advantage 2018 (neither class is strong but 2018 has better top-end talent; especially at guard)

DE - advantage 2017 (more depth in 2017 while 2018 has better talent in the 1st round outside of Myles Garrett)

DT - advantage 2018 (not even close, better top-end talent and depth in the 2018 class)

LB - advantage 2018 (big edge to 2018 here, LBs were a weakness in 2017)

CB - advantage 2017 (huge edge to the 2017 draft which might one of the best CB drafts we've seen in NFL history)

S - advantage 2017 (Derwin James is the best talent by far but overall 2017 has a huge edge; safety was arguably the strongest position group in the 2017 draft)

So I got 2018 winning 6 to 4 in terms of position group strength. Considering I felt the 2017 NFL Draft was one of the strongest in NFL history, that should tell you just how highly I think of the 2018 Draft.

The 2017 and 2018 NFL Drafts will define the NFL for the next 8 years. Most of the superstars who will dominate the NFL from 2019-2025 will come from these two EPIC draft classes.
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Can you do a comparison about which class has the better looking guys? Thanks
 
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volfanngatorland said:
You said the same thing last year
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I actually changed my prediction to 2018 before the season. This is how Dobbs next 2 years will go:

2018 - Super Bowl Champion and Super Bowl MVP
2019 - NFL MVP, 1st team All-Pro

In 2018 he'll take over after Roethlisberger gets hurt. He'll lead the Steelers to a surprise Super Bowl run defeating a heavily favored Saints team in the Super Bowl. Then in 2019, the Steelers will have the best record in the NFL while Dobbs wins NFL MVP. However, they will get upset in the playoffs and fail to win back to back Super Bowls eventhough they are heavy favorites.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I actually changed my prediction to 2018 before the season.
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Before the season = during the pre-season, after the Steelers made it obvious that Dobbs was going to be 3rd string behind Jones. It was one of your "bold" predictions to push Dobbs' ascension back a year once you realized he was unlikely to get a snap in 2017.
 
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bamawriter said:
Before the season = during the pre-season, after the Steelers made it obvious that Dobbs was going to be 3rd string behind Jones. It was one of your "bold" predictions to push Dobbs' ascension back a year once you realized he was unlikely to get a snap in 2017.
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All good things take time. I selfishly wanted to see Dobbs play last year. But greatness sometimes take a little longer.

Dobbs future benefited greatly from sitting last year.

He'll take that big step toward stardom this season.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I actually changed my prediction to 2018 before the season. This is how Dobbs next 2 years will go:

2018 - Super Bowl Champion and Super Bowl MVP
2019 - NFL MVP, 1st team All-Pro

In 2018 he'll take over after Roethlisberger gets hurt. He'll lead the Steelers to a surprise Super Bowl run defeating a heavily favored Saints team in the Super Bowl. Then in 2019, the Steelers will have the best record in the NFL while Dobbs wins NFL MVP. However, they will get upset in the playoffs and fail to win back to back Super Bowls eventhough they are heavy favorites.
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Got a prediction for the world’s end while we’re spouting nonsense?
 
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95 Vol Alum said:
What is asymmetrical about Edmunds' face? I'm not seeing what you are seeing. Break it down for me.

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That is an ugly woman. Not an attractive man.
 
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bamawriter said:
Before the season = during the pre-season, after the Steelers made it obvious that Dobbs was going to be 3rd string behind Jones. It was one of your "bold" predictions to push Dobbs' ascension back a year once you realized he was unlikely to get a snap in 2017.
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“Information became available”. Meaning he found out his prediction was going for shiz so he changed it. Same thing he did with Kamara. :)
 
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the thread needs to be put in some kind of hall of shame/fame/lame.
D4H has finally went completely over the edge of insanity and straight to creepy town
 
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