Saturday 4/5 Scrimmage

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marcusluvsvols said:
You can bet your left nut there are dozens of folks on this site who still believe its Dobbs or bust. They refuse to believe that the only reason he played last season was because he was the only 1 healthy...and that he was #4 at season start. Where is he now? #4. Maybe #3? I know he can run fast. We have Lane, Hurd, Young, Pickett, and about a half dozen receivers to do that. We need someone to throw the damn ball. Its really that simple. If we have a 1 dimensional run only offense behind a rookie OL we go 6-6 or 5-7 again. Butch and 90% of VN. "Get this".
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Have to agree. Dobbs did not show where he could get it done last year. His passing game never developed last year.
 
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KBVol said:
I really hate to agree, but after listening to Swain yesterday, I came away thinking the same thing. It appears we're gonna have a walkon playing left tackle and that the prize JUCO left tackle of this class has a very, very, very long way to go.....as in, he's losing his 1 on 1 blocking battles straight up, before all the issues of communication, understanding blocking schemes within the offense, handling stunts and twists, etc, ever come into play. #ConcernedInNashville
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This is the reason that the recruiting hype is just that. People get excited about so many highly rated players who were created by some star rating service that know just as much as us average fans. This program has penciled in too many 5 stars in the past that could not compete on the SEC level.

Case in point:
Daniel Brooks
Keith Jeter
Dirk Bourgone
Brian Darden
Dan McCullers
Chris Donald
Bryce Brown - to some extent. He never did much here.
 
#79
#79
RE the Quarterbacks, Dobbs is the only one of the QBs who can run. That's one reason why some of suggested he might work best at QB. If you look at college football nowadays, most successful teams have QBs who can run and make plays with their legs and put extra pressure on a defense. We've had statues playing QB for, what, the last 15 years--guys who could throw it but not run. How's that worked out?

It doesn't matter what we think, of course. We'll see how it plays out. I fail to see the point of running a read-option with QBs who can't run. I think it's going to be a rough year for our QB not matter who plays because the offensive line is going to be b-a-d.
 
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armchair said:
RE the Quarterbacks, Dobbs is the only one of the QBs who can run. That's one reason why some of suggested he might work best at QB. If you look at college football nowadays, most successful teams have QBs who can run and make plays with their legs and put extra pressure on a defense. We've had statues playing QB for, what, the last 15 years--guys who could throw it but not run. How's that worked out?

It doesn't matter what we think, of course. We'll see how it plays out. I fail to see the point of running a read-option with QBs who can't run. I think it's going to be a rough year for our QB not matter who plays because the offensive line is going to be b-a-d.
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Dobbs is NOT the only QB who can run. It appeared he was definitely the best runner of the 3 who played last year, but Worley ran well when he actually would, which was not much because he was far too reluctant. He had nice runs vs SoAla, Bama and SCar.

Dobbs was the most willing runner and was very good IMO. However, it's been reported several times that Ferguson is very mobile and can make plays with his legs as well. It's also been documented several times that Peterman can run well. Dobbs may be the best runner, which I guess he probably is, but he's not the only one who can run based on what everyone close to the program has stated many times.

Agree that the OL isn't looking too good right now, especially at tackle. Although there's a long way to go, concerned like you about how bad they may be.
 
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#82
Didn't realize Pearson was that physical. He dominated Payne and I didn't expect that. If our O-line can give our QB 4 seconds, we should be much improved on offense with this receiver core.
 
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105437 said:
Didn't realize Pearson was that physical. He dominated Payne and I didn't expect that. If our O-line can give our QB 4 seconds, we should be much improved on offense with this receiver core.
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4 seconds is an eternity. Gotta feeling we'll be running a lot of "quick game" passing routes and rolling the QB outside the pocket, at least early on. They're gonna have to call offensive games that buys time until the OL can jell.
 
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KBVol said:
4 seconds is an eternity. Gotta feeling we'll be running a lot of "quick game" passing routes and rolling the QB outside the pocket, at least early on. They're gonna have to call offensive games that buys time until the OL can jell.
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Agreed. Unfortunately, i think everybody else we are playing knows it too. they are going to be ready for that. Nobody is going to believe we are going to start slinging it downfield. They are going to focus on runs between the tackles, screens and quick passes.
 
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105437 said:
Didn't realize Pearson was that physical. He dominated Payne and I didn't expect that. If our O-line can give our QB 4 seconds, we should be much improved on offense with this receiver core.
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Don't think this O line will be giving 4 seconds for any QB's to throw the ball. Since Dobbs is the most mobile QB of the 4, he may be our best option because there will be a lot of QB scrambling going on this fall.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
You can bet your left nut there are dozens of folks on this site who still believe its Dobbs or bust. They refuse to believe that the only reason he played last season was because he was the only 1 healthy...and that he was #4 at season start. Where is he now? #4. Maybe #3? I know he can run fast. We have Lane, Hurd, Young, Pickett, and about a half dozen receivers to do that. We need someone to throw the damn ball. Its really that simple. If we have a 1 dimensional run only offense behind a rookie OL we go 6-6 or 5-7 again. Butch and 90% of VN. "Get this".
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The trouble with Dobbs is some plays he is too cerebral and not instinctive enough. He is going through permutations of possibilities instead of throwing the ball away or scrambling earlier. This lack of an internal clock gets him sacked way too much.

If Fergie and Worley are this close in Spring, then I can see Fergie pulling away in Fall as his learning curve is steeper than that of a four year player.
 
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thetennlegend said:
Does anyone else like the idea of trying Coleman Thomas at lt and moving blair to the right side?
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Fortunately we have the athletes at WR, TE, RB and I think Qb to pull it off if they execute. That wasn't the case last year. We should still be able to exploit one on one match ups with Pearson, Croom, North and Malone on the outside with a number of routes that won't require 4 seconds.
 
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With the read option and a new Oline in the SEC, I definitely want at least 3 dependable QBs this season.
 
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KBVol said:
Fortunately we have the athletes at WR, TE, RB and I think Qb to pull it off if they execute. That wasn't the case last year. We should still be able to exploit one on one match ups with Pearson, Croom, North and Malone on the outside with a number of routes that won't require 4 seconds.
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This is true but against some of the good pass rushing teams our qbs are gonna die. I think Blair will get in better shape and be alot better by fall, thats my hope anyway.
 
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HuntlandVolinColo said:
The trouble with Dobbs is some plays he is too cerebral and not instinctive enough. He is going through permutations of possibilities instead of throwing the ball away or scrambling earlier. This lack of an internal clock gets him sacked way too much.

If Fergie and Worley are this close in Spring, then I can see Fergie pulling away in Fall as his learning curve is steeper than that of a four year player.
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Agree. Read another post where guy said he thinks Butch "wants to start Ferguson"... I agree with this. But I think Butch isn't going to lower the standard to do so. Ferguson's gonna have to clean some things up to earn it and may do it given the time left between now and Aug 30.
 
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KBVol said:
4 seconds is an eternity. Gotta feeling we'll be running a lot of "quick game" passing routes and rolling the QB outside the pocket, at least early on. They're gonna have to call offensive games that buys time until the OL can jell.
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With our tall receivers, just toss pop ups 30-40 yards down the field. 90% of the time we will catch it, it will be incomplete or we get an interference call. lol
 
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1985Vols said:
Due to weakness in the trenches and the brutal schedule they play , this team goes 5-7 or at best 6-6 this season. A 4-8 season would not surprise me. Not being negative but just being realistic. I hope fans realize this program is still at least another year or two away from being able to compete with the upper echelon of the SEC
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The OL and DL would have to be atrocious for us to go 4-8.

Plus, I think we will have too many playmakers, as opposed to just one on offense (North) and three on defense (Sutton, Randolph, and AJ) like last year.
 
#94
#94
marcusluvsvols said:
You can bet your left nut there are dozens of folks on this site who still believe its Dobbs or bust. They refuse to believe that the only reason he played last season was because he was the only 1 healthy...and that he was #4 at season start. Where is he now? #4. Maybe #3? I know he can run fast. We have Lane, Hurd, Young, Pickett, and about a half dozen receivers to do that. We need someone to throw the damn ball. Its really that simple. If we have a 1 dimensional run only offense behind a rookie OL we go 6-6 or 5-7 again. Butch and 90% of VN. "Get this".
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You want the hometown boy to win the job I get it. No need to make up things though.

The coach and depth chart said RF and Dobbs were tied. Never was Dobbs listed as 4 or did BJ say he was 4. CBJ said regardless of RF being hurt or not Dobbs would have played when he came in. So the RF guys are the only ones who won't face reality. Ya'll would rather listen to others on a message board than the coach himself. Dobbs looked great for a true Fr against Bama and Mizzou, two top ten teams. Then he loses the only threat we had in North.

We have no idea what RF looks like. He could be great or he could be horrible. We won't know until we see him against a real team.
 
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HuntlandVolinColo said:
With our tall receivers, just toss pop ups 30-40 yards down the field. 90% of the time we will catch it, it will be incomplete or we get an interference call. lol
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Thinking the same thing.... Lotta back shoulder throws and quick slants to boot. Gonna be tough to defend those big bodies.
 
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Yeah, maybe 4 seconds is too much to ask of our o-line. Wishful, hopeful thinking on my part. Maybe 4 seconds from snap to release is more realistic. Our o-line will dictate our success this season for the most part.
 
#97
#97
thetennlegend said:
This is true but against some of the good pass rushing teams our qbs are gonna die. I think Blair will get in better shape and be alot better by fall, thats my hope anyway.
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Well he needs to be quicker and learn the offense better. He should be in much better shape by August and I think that will make him much quicker and give him more stamina. He will also be more familiar with the offense by August.

Hopefully Gilliam will continue to push him!
 
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tomq_123 said:
The good news is that it's only Spring practice. Things will look a lot different in the Fall.
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Totally agree with this I think we see alot of freshman in the two deep. I just have a gut feeling we are gonna see alot of Dillion Bates this year. I also think we see Riley win the qb job. Remember a few years ago one of the knocks on Johnny football was turnovers in spring practice. Not comparing Riley to Johnny by any means but to me you play the guy with the most talent and that to me is Riley
 
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#100
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KBVol said:
You take your high school coach. I'll take a beat writer who's been around the program for years, is used to evaluating college players, has seen all of these QBs for multiple months now and has a much greater sample size than 2-3 practices. Jmo.
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The problem with a beat writer is they don't know football like a coach does, and it shows when UT coaches talk to them they dumb down the terminology for them to report it to the masses. Additionally, beat writers only see what the UT coaches want them to see then they are kicked out of the practice, the HS coaches at the clinic are there to learn from the UT coaches and exchange ideas. Media types are never treated with that same respect.
 
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