SBC on the precipice: reckoning coming on covered up sexual abuse

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GAVol said:
A saving grace might be the independence of most Baptist congregations. From personal experience, most Baptist churches aren’t nearly as beholden to the SBC as you might think.
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The SBC strongest union was/is around Missions programs. They don't swap pastors, force doctrine, or demand financial participation.
 
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luthervol said:
Or grooming? lol
Out of 4+ million. That's a whopping 0.003%. Far less than the general public.
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And yet the number of firearms used illegally in violent crimes are less than that. And even more so the violent crime innocent victims are even smaller than your .003%. But you choose the smaller statistic as the larger issue
 
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AshG said:
There's something about authoritarian religious organizations that allows this type of thing to happen. Has Southern Baptist leadership been taking notes from the Vatican?

This Is the Southern Baptist Apocalypse

"For years, leaders in the Executive Committee said a database—to prevent sexual predators from quietly moving from one church to another, to a new set of victims—had been thoroughly investigated and found to be legally impossible, given Baptist church autonomy. My mouth fell open when I read documented proof in the report that these very people not only knew how to have a database, they already had one.

Allegations of sexual violence and assault were placed, the report concludes, in a secret file in the SBC Nashville headquarters. It held over 700 cases. Not only was nothing done to stop these predators from continuing their hellish crimes, staff members were reportedly told not to even engage those asking about how to stop their child from being sexually violated by a minister. Rather than a database to protect sexual abuse victims, the report reveals that these leaders had a database to protect themselves."
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This is what happens when any "organization of religion" puts its eyes on men (or women) and takes them off of the only person that matters. Like the song says, ONLY JESUS. It is only IN CHRIST that we have any light at all.

So it is not unexpected that people can go awry when they start focusing on other things. Even so, like Ananias and Sapphira, they should be denounced and struck down before all.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
And yet the number of firearms used illegally in violent crimes are less than that. And even more so the violent crime innocent victims are even smaller than your .003%. But you choose the smaller statistic as the larger issue
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I would be fine if guns and gun owners went through the same type of screenings as teachers. Start with fingerprinting and background checks every 5 years.
 
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I "go after" the southern churches because that's where I come from and what I know. It's been very not fun dealing with northern churches these past couple years, which are very different (finally found one with youth discipleship that my wife and kids like, but no adult Sunday small groups is hard to get used to.)

We are often most critical of the things we are closest to or love the most. There is so much potential to do the Lord's work in a meaningful and lasting way - see the Dandridge Ministerial Association - that lives out the words of Christ, but from my perspective and experience we're more interested in Pauline doctrine and the framework that comes from it.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
I am a nerd sometimes however I’ve never really enjoyed Harry Potter even though most love it. Just not my cup of tea
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I never understood the apparent need of non Christians to convince Christians of the falseness of the Bible. If the non Christin chooses to not believe it, fine. But they make it their mission in life to convince believers. They spend more effort “reverse evangelising” then the evangelists spend evangelising. 🤔
Their “anti religion” is more zealous than the religion they are fighting. Why is that I wonder?
 
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Wireless1 said:
They don't swap pastors, force doctrine, or demand financial participation.
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SBC clarifies ‘friendly cooperation,’ updates criteria for church affiliation – Baptist News Global

"The SBC Executive Committee announced its intent to consider at its June 9 meeting prior to the SBC annual meeting limiting membership to churches that have “not intentionally operated in any manner demonstrating opposition to the doctrine expressed in the convention’s most recently adopted statement of faith.”
 
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OrangeTsar said:
I never understood the apparent need of non Christians to convince Christians of the falseness of the Bible. If the non Christin chooses to not believe it, fine. But they make it their mission in life to convince believers. They spend more effort “reverse evangelising” then the evangelists spend evangelising. 🤔
Their “anti religion” is more zealous than the religion they are fighting. Why is that I wonder?
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Who has more of a "mission"?
Non-believers convincing believers to not believe or believers convincing non-believers to believe?
 
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OrangeTsar said:
I never understood the apparent need of non Christians to convince Christians of the falseness of the Bible. If the non Christin chooses to not believe it, fine. But they make it their mission in life to convince believers. They spend more effort “reverse evangelising” then the evangelists spend evangelising. 🤔
Their “anti religion” is more zealous than the religion they are fighting. Why is that I wonder?
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Evangelical Atheism. Those are the ones who seem to be angry with a God they don't believe in and continually try to convince themselves by trying to convince others.

Most of my atheist friends can't stand them.
 
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luthervol said:
Who has more of a "mission"?
Non-believers convincing believers to not believe or believers convincing non-believers to believe?
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Believers can't convince non believers, nor should we try. We share our love for Christ through witnessing and ministering, but God is the one who calls them to redemption.
 
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AshG said:
SBC clarifies ‘friendly cooperation,’ updates criteria for church affiliation – Baptist News Global

"The SBC Executive Committee announced its intent to consider at its June 9 meeting prior to the SBC annual meeting limiting membership to churches that have “not intentionally operated in any manner demonstrating opposition to the doctrine expressed in the convention’s most recently adopted statement of faith.”
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I would say that the SBC is the LEAST centralized of all of the mainline Protestant denominations. That does not mean that they are not taking at least a few first steps towards a minimum statement of doctrinal consistency. You can’t really have a domination without specifying what it is that defines the denomination.
The Apostle’s Creed was I guess the first such attempt that did (and Stil should) define Christianity as a whole. Everything past that resulted in denominations
But I understand the apparent SBC fear of becoming a denomination in which churches start hosting drag shows and praying to the “great Them/They that breastfeeds”
Christian Church Leads Prayer to the 'God of Pronouns,' the 'Great They/Them' Who Breastfeeds - US Wall Post
 
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AshG said:
Believers can't convince non believers, nor should we try. We share our love for Christ through witnessing and ministering, but God is the one who calls them to redemption.
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We are called to share the message, not convert them to believers.
 
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AshG said:
Evangelical Atheism. Those are the ones who seem to be angry with a God they don't believe in and continually try to convince themselves by trying to convince others.

Most of my atheist friends can't stand them.
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I guess that is like the Vegans who can’t be content with just being Vegan but have to let everyone know of their Veganism 😉
 
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As of this morning, my SBC church has already stopped financially supporting the SBC. There will be a congressional vote on next steps within the next two weeks. My guess is my church severs all ties before the end of June.
 
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AshG said:
Believers can't convince non believers, nor should we try. We share our love for Christ through witnessing and ministering, but God is the one who calls them to redemption.
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I see your point and it is right in line with the Christian belief that all redemption begins with the call of God and that God initiates in Every work of Grace. But Jesus was pretty clear about making the effort (which I don’t believe you are disagreeing with)
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DC_Vol said:
As of this morning, my SBC church has already stopped financially supporting the SBC. There will be a congressional vote on next steps within the next two weeks. My guess is my church severs all ties before the end of June.
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And on what principle or argument have they made this decision?
 
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OrangeTsar said:
I see your point and it is right in line with the Christian belief that all redemption begins with the call of God and that God initiates in Every work of Grace. But Jesus was pretty clear about making the effort (which I don’t believe you are disagreeing with)
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Yeah, we're on the same page. One of the signs of a regenerate Christian is the desire to share the Good News with others. We should have the desire to see all people reconciled to the Father and do what we can to help them understand this, but God is the one who moves their spirit.
 
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DC_Vol said:
My church wants its money to go toward furthering the Kingdom of God. Not supporting the legal defense of poor decisions made by the leadership of the SBC.
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I’m sure a lot went into such a big decision. It is sad though since the SBC Cooperative program Is maybe the biggest single source of funding for missions and related work that exists.
 
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wmcovol said:
135 teachers & teachers aides have been arrested THIS YEAR for sexual offenses with children. Pretty clear many have migrated to education.
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The people who are infected by such proclivities will naturally drift toward ANY organization that gives them close contact with Children. It is a problem for schools, churches, day cares, summer camps, youth after school programs, etc. it is not unique to or more prevalent in any of these. And frankly ALL organizations have done a pretty lousy job at addressing it IMO.
I think current efforts to expose sexual topics to young children is unfortunately giving offenders a huge new toolbox to use however, all under the official approval of “experts” who really should know better
 
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