SBC on the precipice: reckoning coming on covered up sexual abuse

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OrangeTsar said:
The people who are infected by such proclivities will naturally drift toward ANY organization that gives them close contact with Children. It is a problem for schools, churches, day cares, summer camps, youth after school programs, etc. it is not unique to or more prevalent in any of these. And frankly ALL organizations have done a pretty lousy job at addressing it IMO.
I think current efforts to expose sexual topics to young children is unfortunately giving offenders a huge new toolbox to use however, all under the official approval of “experts” who really should know better
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This. People who want to “fix” problems don’t realize that people ARE the cause of every issue. And you can’t fix them
 
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OrangeTsar said:
I’m sure a lot went into such a big decision. It is sad though since the SBC Cooperative program Is maybe the biggest single source of funding for missions and related work that exists.
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As I already pointed out, the big decision will be made by the congregation. I haven’t read the report, but it must be pretty damning.

Agree about the missions. It’s a shame that those to whom the organization was entrusted didn’t act with integrity and transparency. Now their focus and resources will be spent defending poor (and potentially illegal) decisions.
 
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If our current society has accepted people are wired a certain way wrt romance, attraction, and intimacy, I have a question about the attraction adults have towards children. Is the attraction (or the 'wired for that attraction) wrong or is it only the acting on the urges they were born with which is wrong because it violates someone unable to consent?
 
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OrangeTsar said:
I never understood the apparent need of non Christians to convince Christians of the falseness of the Bible. If the non Christin chooses to not believe it, fine. But they make it their mission in life to convince believers. They spend more effort “reverse evangelising” then the evangelists spend evangelising. 🤔
Their “anti religion” is more zealous than the religion they are fighting. Why is that I wonder?
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We are called to be a witness and a testimony - your witness has no power without your testimony. The fear of God fell upon Rome, not because the sermon notes were good or underground Christian meetings offered childcare but because they sang hymns while being torn apart and burned in the arena.
 
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AshG said:
Oy. Thread title clearly states intended boundaries of discussion. There's plenty of "repeat negative messaging about public schools" threads here that his digression would better fit in.
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You kind of teed that one up.
 
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McDad said:
If our current society has accepted people are wired a certain way wrt romance, attraction, and intimacy, I have a question about the attraction adults have towards children. Is the attraction (or the 'wired for that attraction) wrong or is it only the acting on the urges they were born with which is wrong because it violates someone unable to consent?
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There is an attempt to set the table for “only the act” is wrong.
 
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McDad said:
If our current society has accepted people are wired a certain way wrt romance, attraction, and intimacy, I have a question about the attraction adults have towards children. Is the attraction (or the 'wired for that attraction) wrong or is it only the acting on the urges they were born with which is wrong because it violates someone unable to consent?
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As night follows the setting of the sun, so pedophilia will be pushed to be accepted as just another sexual identity. After all, if your 8-year-old daughter can decide that she is really a boy, who are you to say that she cannot be deciding that she doesnt love the 46 year old neighbor down the street and that what they are doing together isn't consensual? Stop the hate! Accept the love!

Once the anchor became unmoored, there is no longer any real fixed point from whence to derive bearings. The slippery slope, which was warned against, has become a slip-n-slide for the alphabets to use as a ladder.
 
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allvol123 said:
There is an attempt to set the table for “only the act” is wrong.
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The question (and the answer) is very interesting to me. If we remove the morale component from our inherent sexuality, then the only way to determine what is good is by acting on our inherent sexuality. Sexual urges once considered deviant are now viewed as normal for some.
So, is the person's attraction to minors a deviant urge or is only the act considered wrong? If the urge is wrong, what makes that urge unique and different from the other urges which are now normalized?
 
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Gandalf said:
As night follows the setting of the sun, so pedophilia will be pushed to be accepted as just another sexual identity. After all, if your 8-year-old daughter can decide that she is really a boy, who are you to say that she cannot be deciding that she doesnt love the 46 year old neighbor down the street and that what they are doing together isn't consensual? Stop the hate!

Once the anchor became unmoored, there is no longer any real fixed point from whence to derive bearings. The slippery slope, which was warned against, has become a slip-n-slide for the alphabets to use as a ladder.
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Gandalf is absolutely right here. The groundwork is being laid today right before our eyes. In fact, it is the only POSSIBLE destination for the silly and disgusting trans claims regarding children today.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Gandalf is absolutely right here. The groundwork is being laid today right before our eyes. In fact, it is the only POSSIBLE destination for the silly and disgusting trans claims regarding children today.
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Gandalf may be right in principle but organizations like NAMBLA have not become accepted. And, I honestly cannot envision a day when they are treated as normal variances on the LGBT continuum (hat tip @luthervol).

What that said, I still wonder about the internal desire and whether it is right or wrong...or is it just the act?
 
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luthervol said:
Or grooming? lol
Out of 4+ million. That's a whopping 0.003%. Far less than the general public.
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It's hilarious how when it fits your narrative, the percentage matters. When it comes to corona, or side effects of the shot, you didn't care about the percentage people posted for you, only what the TV told you. Same for guns, you ignore the percentage of law abiding citizens who own guns, and never commit crimes. You pick the rare, white guy shooter to act like we have a gun pandemic, when it's actually a criminal problem. Why not take the same stance on these teachers, and forget percentage numbers? 🤣
 
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...And if we want to keep the discussion on a morality / traditional christian track, temptation isn't sin. Committing an act in your heart, or outright, is sin. So, is the temptation to find minors attractive wrong?
 
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I do not like when tax exempt religious organizations are thinly veiled outposts of political parties (and YES, this means both parties)
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
What would Jesus think if he walked into a SBC church in 2022?
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"That's not what I said! And that's not what I said either! How did you read that into 'Love thy neighbor'?!"

He could say this in every denomination. The SBC is just the one with a spotlight on it right now. Someone else will next week.
 
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