SBC on the precipice: reckoning coming on covered up sexual abuse

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McDad said:
You're threatening the rich tradition of Democrats making stump speeches in black churches with this thought.
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I'm threatening the rich tradition of both parties doing that. If you want to be a political organization, then give up your tax exempt status.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
Maybe react like he did in the temple. Turn over a few tables.
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At the Holy Grounds coffee shop outside the doors to the stadium seated sanctuary with dual 4k HDR projection screens. I can see it now.
 
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McDad said:
Gandalf may be right in principle but organizations like NAMBLA have not become accepted. And, I honestly cannot envision a day when they are treated as normal variances on the LGBT continuum (hat tip @luthervol).

What that said, I still wonder about the internal desire and whether it is right or wrong...or is it just the act?
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1) prediction: we said the same things about gay marriage and adoption just a decade ago. And the pace of the “second sexual revolution” is only accelerating. The ultimate goal is to remove all constraints on any sexual activity. It is nothing but rebellion against limits and seeks to normalize anything and everything under a very nebulous concept of “consent”. Pin this message and let’s compare notes in 5 years about where things stand (assuming honest discussion isn’t banned by then)
2) a large number of internal desires would be wrong if acted upon. As a Christian Pastor i Heard- say once (paraphrasing here) I have very strong heterosexual urges that would be very destructive to my family and marriage if I chose to act on them outside the religious requirement for monogamy.
As humans, ever since the Fall in the Garden of Eden, we have fought a never ending daily battle between what we want to do vs what we should do. The “second sexual revolution” seeks to end that battle by simply saying “anything goes” in the name of self actualization
 
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OrangeTsar said:
1) prediction: we did the same things about gay marriage and adoption just a decade ago. And the pace of the “second sexual revolution” is only accelerating. The ultimate goal is to remove all constraints on any sexual activity. It is nothing but rebellion against limits and seeks to normalize anything and everything under a very nebulous concept of “consent”. Pin this message and let’s compare notes in 5 years about where things stand (assuming honest discussion isn’t banned by then)
2) a large number of internal desires would be wrong if acted upon. As a Christian Pastor i Heard- say once (paraphrasing here) I have very strong heterosexual urges that would be very destructive to my family and marriage if I chose to act on them outside the religious requirement for monogamy.
As humans, ever since the Fall in the Garden of Eden, we have fought a never ending daily battle between what we want to do vs what we should do. The “second sexual revolution” seeks to end that battle by simply saying “anything goes” in the name of self actualization
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On your number one, the tendency is to highlight areas where society has changed but those changes do not demonstrate a harm done. They are simply changes from previous norms.

Transitioning to normalizing romantic relationships between adults and minors would demonstrate a harm done. That's why I cannot envision a day when it would be accepted.
 
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McDad said:
On your number one, the tendency is to highlight areas where society has changed but those changes do not demonstrate a harm done. They are simply changes from previous norms.

Transitioning to normalizing romantic relationships between adults and minors would demonstrate a harm done. That's why I cannot envision a day when it would be accepted.
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I would disagree on there being no harm done In regards to homosexual marriage. From a religious point of view it is extremely harmful to the immortal soul. Not any worse than heterosexual adultery but still sin. Of course, that no basis for passing a law to prohibit it. We don’t do that sort of thing in our Republic. But when the CHURCH accepts and normalizes it, we are doing a great disservice to the people involved.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
I would disagree on there being no harm done In regards to homosexual marriage. From a religious point of view it is extremely harmful to the immortal soul. Not any worse than heterosexual adultery but still sin. Of course, that no basis for passing a law to prohibit it. We don’t do that sort of thing in our Republic. But when the CHURCH accepts and normalizes it, we are doing a great disservice to the people involved.
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I understand where you are coming from. But I am talking about physical or mental harm, not spiritual harm. That's what prohibitive laws are attempting to protect. Again, it is why I cannot imagine a future where adult/minor romances are considered acceptable.

Are you aware some homosexuals attend church and consider themselves to be faithful christians?
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
What would Jesus think if he walked into a SBC church in 2022?
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As a lifelong Southern Baptist I can assure you he would be ok until he turned some water into wine, then they would toss Him out 😂
But seriously, i think he would be angry about the fact that we play at Christianity a few hours on Sunday and then live lives indistinguishable from the world the rest of the week. We pat ourselves on the back for voting the right way and pretend that that absolves us of any more meaningful or sacrificial service. I include myself in this indictment
 
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Gandalf said:
As night follows the setting of the sun, so pedophilia will be pushed to be accepted as just another sexual identity. After all, if your 8-year-old daughter can decide that she is really a boy, who are you to say that she cannot be deciding that she doesnt love the 46 year old neighbor down the street and that what they are doing together isn't consensual? Stop the hate! Accept the love!

Once the anchor became unmoored, there is no longer any real fixed point from whence to derive bearings. The slippery slope, which was warned against, has become a slip-n-slide for the alphabets to use as a ladder.
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I do know a slip-n-slide may quite possibly be the worst ladder ever.
 
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McDad said:
I understand where you are coming from. But I am talking about physical or mental harm, not spiritual harm. That's what prohibitive laws are attempting to protect. Again, it is why I cannot imagine a future where adult/minor romances are considered acceptable.

Are you aware some homosexuals attend church and consider themselves to be faithful christians?
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Could you imagine people talking about adolescents choosing their status as male or female?

No problem with the last part. None of us are perfect. But what are you doing about it?
 
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allvol123 said:
Could you imagine people talking about adolescents choosing their status as male or female?

No problem with the last part. None of us are perfect. But what are you doing about it?
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I couldn't imagine it. But I come from background where gender isn't subjective or arbitrary.

What am I doing about what...I don't understand your question???
 
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McDad said:
I couldn't imagine it. But I come from background where gender isn't subjective or arbitrary.

What am I doing about what...I don't understand your question???
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Not “you”, but everyone.

I’m no better than the homosexual sitting next to me in church. But I cognizant of my sins and don’t seek to have them condoned. The opposite approach we have taken as a society, the glorification of it.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
I honestly can never recall a single politician giving a speech from the pulpit of any church I have attended
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Me either but that’s not the goal here. They want to punish and silence those pastors who make “political statements” such as abortion and gay marriage are sins
 
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OrangeTsar said:
1) prediction: we said the same things about gay marriage and adoption just a decade ago. And the pace of the “second sexual revolution” is only accelerating. The ultimate goal is to remove all constraints on any sexual activity. It is nothing but rebellion against limits and seeks to normalize anything and everything under a very nebulous concept of “consent”. Pin this message and let’s compare notes in 5 years about where things stand (assuming honest discussion isn’t banned by then)
2) a large number of internal desires would be wrong if acted upon. As a Christian Pastor i Heard- say once (paraphrasing here) I have very strong heterosexual urges that would be very destructive to my family and marriage if I chose to act on them outside the religious requirement for monogamy.
As humans, ever since the Fall in the Garden of Eden, we have fought a never ending daily battle between what we want to do vs what we should do. The “second sexual revolution” seeks to end that battle by simply saying “anything goes” in the name of self actualization
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Greed is much more of a societal destroyer than is sexual desires and tendencies.
Talk about how our nation and it's religions have tried to normalize greed.
 
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McDad said:
On your number one, the tendency is to highlight areas where society has changed but those changes do not demonstrate a harm done. They are simply changes from previous norms.

Transitioning to normalizing romantic relationships between adults and minors would demonstrate a harm done. That's why I cannot envision a day when it would be accepted.
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And that is exactly what they (tho hopefully not you) will say the next time the "norms" are changed. "Pedophilia is simply a change from a previous norm and now we better recognize the beauty of human love in all its forms. Bestiality though, I mean an animal simply doesn't have the ability to give consent like a human does so that is harm to an animal."

I pray you are still alive to weep when you see my words come to pass. My greater wish, however, is to be wrong here but that so rarely happens anymore.

McDad said:
I understand where you are coming from. But I am talking about physical or mental harm, not spiritual harm. That's what prohibitive laws are attempting to protect. Again, it is why I cannot imagine a future where adult/minor romances are considered acceptable.

Are you aware some homosexuals attend church and consider themselves to be faithful christians?
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So do some people actively carrying on an affair - or for that matter, singles who sleep around. It is one thing to know the standard and recognize you fail to meet it from time to time, it is another to try to redefine the standard and declare it righteous and good because you enjoy your sin.

McDad said:
The question (and the answer) is very interesting to me. If we remove the morale component from our inherent sexuality, then the only way to determine what is good is by acting on our inherent sexuality. Sexual urges once considered deviant are now viewed as normal for some.
So, is the person's attraction to minors a deviant urge or is only the act considered wrong? If the urge is wrong, what makes that urge unique and different from the other urges which are now normalized?
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If an urge itself is wrong, independent of the action, I must say I would be convicted of murder nearly every day :D No seed flowers that is not first nurtured in receptive soil. It is our words and our deeds that convict us - for thoughts oft come unbidden but can take no root and cannot flower (and thus become words or actions) unless they are planted and nurtured in our minds.
 
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luthervol said:
I would be fine if guns and gun owners went through the same type of screenings as teachers. Start with fingerprinting and background checks every 5 years.
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Many Churches run those checks before the "volunteer" can start then annually, I can't remember the company, but somebody is making a killing running these checks based on the budget line item as I remember.
 
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