Schiano Sunday

#76
#76
To be fair Fulmer wanted Tucker. A lot of the issues with the AD position over the past fifteen years is certain boosters having too much say in who is hired.

Hindsight being 20/20 , a Tucker hire probably wouldn't have panned out great either on or off the field.

Fulmer had no business getting that AD job IMO and I totally agree booster meddling has created a lot of issues over the past couple of decades.

Gotta be honest though, kind of enjoying seeing some of our competition go through coaching hire trials and tribulations.
 
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The fans don't have to revolt at all if you select a coach that they have some respect for. The mess does not originate with the fans. Let's be clear.

I challenge your points. First, you think fans at every major college have been thrilled with all their coaching hires over the year? Please. Fans don't like a lot of hires--haven't liked a lot of hires. But in no instance that I know of, as there ever been the bizarre fan revolt as we had. (And of course it was made worse when clowns in the legislature joined in without knowing anything.) Second, and it's a corollary of my first point, athletic directors never poll fans on their favorites for the next head-coaching job. And why don't they? Because, if they did, there'd be the chaos, confusion and embarrassment that engulfed our hire--and, make no mistake, it became a major embarrassment. If our AD, when he was ready to hire Dooley, had conducted a straw poll of UT fans to gauge their reaction to the pick, I doubt very much that he'd have gotten majority approval. No matter. Athletic directors make hires, and fans react in different ways, as they always do--some happy or OK with the pick, some meh, some displeased---but the pick is accepted, the hire made--and then the fans see how the coach fares over time. That's the way it's always been and surely always will be. People can suggest and speculate that Schiano would have been a terrible coach, but that is just rationalizing the reaction, nothing more. Every hire, every coach, has the potential to be a be a great winner, a woeful loser or something in between. Fulmer thought Pruitt would be brilliant and he turned out just the opposite AND got the program in trouble.
 
#78
#78
Schiano, as a GA, followed the university and NCAA protocol by telling his boss, Tom Bradley. Bradley and Paterno decided not to pursue and to cover up....

(And that is all based 25 year third party hearsay from McQueary's depo)

Did Schiano meet a moral obligation (if the depo was true)? Absolutely not
Quit shilling for this scum bag
 
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I challenge your points. First, you think fans at every major college have been thrilled with all their coaching hires over the year? Please. Fans don't like a lot of hires--haven't liked a lot of hires. But in no instance that I know of, as there ever been the bizarre fan revolt as we had. (And of course it was made worse when clowns in the legislature joined in without knowing anything.) Second, and it's a corollary of my first point, athletic directors never poll fans on their favorites for the next head-coaching job. And why don't they? Because, if they did, there'd be the chaos, confusion and embarrassment that engulfed our hire--and, make no mistake, it became a major embarrassment. If our AD, when he was ready to hire Dooley, had conducted a straw poll of UT fans to gauge their reaction to the pick, I doubt very much that he'd have gotten majority approval. No matter. Athletic directors make hires, and fans react in different ways, as they always do--some happy or OK with the pick, some meh, some displeased---but the pick is accepted, the hire made--and then the fans see how the coach fares over time. That's the way it's always been and surely always will be. People can suggest and speculate that Schiano would have been a terrible coach, but that is just rationalizing the reaction, nothing more. Every hire, every coach, has the potential to be a be a great winner, a woeful loser or something in between. Fulmer thought Pruitt would be brilliant and he turned out just the opposite AND got the program in trouble.

You can't float that you are meeting with Gruden while having a guy the fanbase can't stand (Wolken) do PR for you. You had to get out in front of that PSU stuff. You literally can't go hire the cheap option after 3 straight football hires of doing that with disastrous results ( more if you want to include cheap Cuonzo, Warlick, Tyndall, and Raleigh hires)....
 
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I challenge your points. First, you think fans at every major college have been thrilled with all their coaching hires over the year? Please. Fans don't like a lot of hires--haven't liked a lot of hires. But in no instance that I know of, as there ever been the bizarre fan revolt as we had. (And of course it was made worse when clowns in the legislature joined in without knowing anything.) Second, and it's a corollary of my first point, athletic directors never poll fans on their favorites for the next head-coaching job. And why don't they? Because, if they did, there'd be the chaos, confusion and embarrassment that engulfed our hire--and, make no mistake, it became a major embarrassment. If our AD, when he was ready to hire Dooley, had conducted a straw poll of UT fans to gauge their reaction to the pick, I doubt very much that he'd have gotten majority approval. No matter. Athletic directors make hires, and fans react in different ways, as they always do--some happy or OK with the pick, some meh, some displeased---but the pick is accepted, the hire made--and then the fans see how the coach fares over time. That's the way it's always been and surely always will be. People can suggest and speculate that Schiano would have been a terrible coach, but that is just rationalizing the reaction, nothing more. Every hire, every coach, has the potential to be a be a great winner, a woeful loser or something in between. Fulmer thought Pruitt would be brilliant and he turned out just the opposite AND got the program in trouble.
Wrong. In most cases there is a corporate community web of connection between the fan-base and the decision-makers, via former coaches, former players, staff, donors, and even elected officials who are representatives of the people, the fans. In this case, that somehow seemed to have broken down. The fans just spoke up and said, we dare you to try to field a program without us. The "powers that be" realized that they had badly read the room, having been poised to bring in an utter misfit to our culture, and they rectified their error. And nobody I know was the least bit embarrassed about it.
 
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#81
#81
Im glad we did not end up with Schiano but it's ironic we ended up with with a far inferior coach that had far more substantiated character and ethical flaws....
Yea but had the UT brass at the time been more aware of everything happening around them, Pruitt never would happened. I still to this day will never understand why they thought Schiano of all people was the answer. Take away all the noise and just looking at the record, like wtf??
 
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#82
We ended up with a shittier human being and coach with Pruitt....
Well Schiano likely was going to likely be the coach who never did enough to get fired for quite some time but nothing to excite the fanbase either. 5-7 to 7-5 routinely. Pruitt thankfully buried himself and an upgrade landed in our lap with Heupel based off the University finally hiring a competent Athletic Director.
 
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Fair point. All of that went into my point that any reward from Schiano wasn't worth the risk.

And to be fair, there were enough ethical and personality red flags that we chose to ignore with Pruitt
You’re right on the last point for sure.
 
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Well Schiano likely was going to likely be the coach who never did enough to get fired for quite some time but nothing to excite the fanbase either. 5-7 to 7-5 routinely. Pruitt thankfully buried himself and an upgrade landed in our lap with Heupel based off the University finally hiring a competent Athletic Director.

Complete speculation but we would have had well coached, hard nosed football teams under Schiano. You wouldn't have saw the poorly coached garbage football we saw from 18-20. I just don't think we would have recruited at a level or developed QBs at a level to get where we wanted to get to long term. You aren't beating LSU, Bama, UF, Auburn, and UGA consistently without having similar athletes...

I would have guessed 6-6, 9-3, and 6-4 for him 2018-2020. I just think things would have plateaued around 7-5 or 8-4 and we'd be in same boat as A&M...

The standard isn't UK level results.
 
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well, I hope he got to watch the kid get manhandled before he damn near killed him......lol
 
#90
#90
What people are forgetting is that entire situation led to the firing of John Currie. Dude didn’t even try to conduct a coaching search. That much was clear. He was a yes-man for the Haslams. So for that, it was a win!

The only positive from not hiring Schiano was we got Danny White.
 
#91
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The only positive from not hiring Schiano was we got Danny White.

Just had to deal with 18 major violations, multimillion $$$ fine, scholly reductions, NCAA investigation, Georgia State, football team quitting late in 2018, extending Holly, hiring Kellie, pissing off Barnes to point he got huge raise, 3 win football seasons, football team quitting against UK in 2020, and falling behind peers in revenue to get there....
 
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Just had to deal with 18 major violations, multimillion $$$ fine, scholly reductions, NCAA investigation, Georgia State, football team quitting late in 2018, extending Holly, hiring Kellie, pissing off Barnes to point he got huge raise, 3 win football seasons, football team quitting against UK in 2020, and falling behind peers in revenue to get there....

……DANNY WHITE IS REALLY GOOD!!!

But yes, despite what some people think, firing Currie for Fulmer was a very bad thing
 

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