School principal refuses to give teen's phone back to dad

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mdrew27 said:
I dint read the story but I feel like this child was a multiple offender and that's why the father didn't get the phone back. I feel as if some people in this thread are seriously lacking common sense curtesy. Principals should be granted the upmost respect. Dad should tell his child that he shouldn't had it out and that he'll get it back when the principal is ready.
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I'm speaking from personal experiences of seeing what happened when I was going to school in the mid 1980's. Luckily, I never had any of my devices confiscated. But to your assertion that this student was a multiple offender, I say it doesn't matter. No entity has the right to confiscate my property, outside of law enforcement as part of an investigation or a crime has been committed.

If you come to my home for dinner and I tell you up front that it annoys me to have guests fiddling around on their phones during dinner, do I have the right to confiscate your phone for as long as I like?

Lastly, in an age where we have schools forcing kids to use laptops, tablets, graphic calculators,etc that we have schools confiscating iphones because they may be a distraction or whatever lame excuse they use.
 
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YorkVol said:
Sometimes the parents are the problem. My kids had a classmate who caused a lot of trouble but every time the school tried to discipline him his mother would bully then and threaten law suits. He should have been expelled after he brought a gun to school in the 6th grade but the principal was over ruled by admin and he got a week suspension instead. Mom was delusional thinking he was a good kid and the teachers were just racist. Unfortunately he shot a rival gang member last year and he is likely to get the death penalty. It is possible that better discipline early on might have saved a coupLe of lives.
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Wait, easy now... we're talking about a cellphone. Not a gun. I would think that 2 adults could reach a reasonable solution on that. I'm all for blaming the parents when necessary, but I'm not gonna use this situation as an example of kids getting out of control.
 
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davethevol said:
Agreed. And as a poster above already touched on, there is more to the story. The girl had been a major problem and has a history of interrupting classes with her phone. The Principal is in the right here.
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Then you suspend the student. I don't agree with a school taking property.
 
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My step son lost his I-Pod yesterday in wal-mart... True story. He actually talks to his mother and I now! Weird how that works. And Mama has enforced a rule that he dont get another one unless he earns money himself to get another one! As lazy as this kid is... He'll have one in 2065
 
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YorkVol said:
Article says the rule is clearly written in the student handbook. Every school today has both the parents and the student sign the form in the student handbook that says they'll abide by the rules in the book. I don't see the problem here.
I'm surprised at the hatred toward the principal. P.O.S.? Really? She is running a school in Philadelphia for heaven's sake! I would think there would be more support for her and how she is trying to keep some level of discipline on her school.
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Students and parents have to sign a rule book? Thank you very much, but I graduated myself, don't attend your school and would refuse to sign. I don't apply under their "rules." My children, sure. Me? No thank you and I'd love to see them try to force that one on me. "Your child can't attend this school until you sign." I'd love to see that one fly and I'd make darn sure they knew they were being recorded when they said it.

Having said that to say this, we let In Loco Parentis go way to far these days. And when the schools start treating parents like children (although admittedly some act that way) it goes too far. Private property is just that, private property. And when I want to retrieve my private property, the school is not going to hide behind rules that are meant for children. I'll take care of the discipline at home than you very much. And I guarantee my children wouldn't do it again.

But what is central to the argument here is the private property portion. That is a public school being funded by my tax dollars (if I lived there) and for darn sure if something as expensive as an iPhone 6 gets confiscated and someone offers me a flip phone replacement I'm going to have words.

"Sorry parent, your child was caught speeding in their Toyota. Here's a bike that they can ride until the end of the quarter instead."

And don't say it's apples to oranges, it's the same brass tacks principle. While the school was right to enforce the rules and confiscate the phone, the school is utterly in the wrong for refusing to release said property to the rightful owner upon demand.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Absurd, overreaction, crazy person comment above.

School shootings are no more prevalent now. We are just more aware of them thanks 24/7 news and social media.
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Reading comprehension is often a problem with you. Nobody was talking about school shootings. there are plenty of people to call for help within the school plus it's unlikely a kid can find himself in a situation in school where a phone would be needed to call for help.
As for mass shootings....
You can find articles that say the opposite but let's hear what the FBI thinks.


http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/25/us/25shooters.html?referrer=&_r=0
 
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Grand Vol said:
Not to dive too far off topic here, but I don't trust the FBI stats on such a thing.

Anything that is more than 2 people in their world is a "mass shooting." The criteria they use is suspect at best.
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It's hard to get accurate info on shootings. LG wants it to look like there were more for gun control purposes and the other side wants it to look like nothing has changed. The truth is probably somewhere in between
 
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Vol8188 said:
Absurd, overreaction, crazy person comment above.

School shootings are no more prevalent now. We are just more aware of them thanks 24/7 news and social media.
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Wrong. There wasn't school shootings 25-30 years ago like there has been over the last 10-20 years. Nor trying to argue, but its as simple as Google to find how many school shootings there have been and when they were. That's just a false statement to say they happened just as much back years ago.
 
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MaxamusXIII said:
History of School Shootings in the United States | K12 Academics


Pay carful attention to the part that says the late 80s shows a steep increase in shootings.
This is right after I graduated high school. Like I said. When I was a kid we weren't shooting each other. It's a different world now.
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School shootings =/= mass shootings

That was my point. And even then the criteria is suspect as well as any shooting that happens on school property is labeled a school shooting, even if there wasn't a victim.

America Isn't Becoming More Violent - Business Insider
 
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MaxamusXIII said:
History of School Shootings in the United States | K12 Academics


Pay carful attention to the part that says the late 80s shows a steep increase in shootings.
This is right after I graduated high school. Like I said. When I was a kid we weren't shooting each other. It's a different world now.
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When I was in school we could have guns in our cars at schools. Going hunting after school was not that uncommon. I wasn't a big deal. I can never remember talking up that I had a shotgun in the trunk. More boys had pocket knives than didn't too. And I graduated in the early 80's.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
When I was in school we could have guns in our cars at schools. Going hunting after school was not that uncommon. I wasn't a big deal. I can never remember talking up that I had a shotgun in the trunk. More boys had pocket knives than didn't too. And I graduated in the early 80's.
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I graduated in 1993, and all through school we had guns in our cars for that, or just go shooting. Even in fights you never heard anybody say, "I'm going to get my gun". Like you said, all boys had knives and never was anybody stabbed.
 
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joevol33 said:
I graduated in 1993, and all through school we had guns in our cars for that, or just go shooting. Even in fights you never heard anybody say, "I'm going to get my gun". Like you said, all boys had knives and never was anybody stabbed.
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I graduated in the mid 80s and have seen guns put away to have a fight.
 
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It's always about me and mine anymore. Forget common sense. Forget teachers trying to teach. Forget the change in respect from this generation.

My dad would have.... I wouldn't put up with.... How about discipline? How about respecting the teacher?

Let's get some attention honey!
 
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Many principals live in their own fantasy world; one where they are better than the students, especially, and many of times the teachers in the school. They view students, teachers, vice principals, coaches, and even SROs as their property, which is quite disturbing.

If a principal took my son's phone and didn't return it to me, a police report would be filed and that person will be disciplined accordingly.
 
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Grand Vol said:
How about no? How about you start the discipline process at home and stop relying on the school to make rules for you?

If a parent wants the phone back, that's their property that they paid for and to hell with a principle that wants to enforce internal rules on someone who isn't a student there. If this were any other situation, it would be called what it truly is. Theft. We let schools do pretty much anything they want to our children these days. We've allowed them to amass this kind of power by not doing our basic parental responsibilities and allow them to raise our children for us.

And it needs to stop.
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What if a student goes on amazon and buys a teacher's edition book of the class they're taking? It's his property, but he definitely shouldn't have it.
 
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joevol33 said:
Wrong. There wasn't school shootings 25-30 years ago like there has been over the last 10-20 years. Nor trying to argue, but its as simple as Google to find how many school shootings there have been and when they were. That's just a false statement to say they happened just as much back years ago.
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Yeah there were. And yes it did
 
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