School principal refuses to give teen's phone back to dad

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MaxamusXIII said:
True story

My oldest who has now graduated got in a fight in the locker room in 6th grade. It was 3 against 4. One kids ribs got broken and there was a lot of blood. My son had a black eye. He told me in detail what happened so I contacted other dads and met at the school the next morning. Not only did they not know there had been a fight, the blood was still all over the locker room. I'm sure they have an effective cellphone policy though.
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Sounds like a typical school fight where everyone walked away alive and certainly didn't require a call to authorities, so what's your point?
 
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Today has just been a day of disagreement. I've never seen such on volnation!
 
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Grand Vol said:
You wouldn't expect kids to know how to get around that would you? :)

Trust me, a 10 year old can reprogram a phone faster than I can turn one on.
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As a man who used to sell phones, that's not possible. You call into the phone company and say "I want x, y, and z, available on this phone." and they will do it. You want GPS on it that locks up with yours? Got it. You want him to not be able to text between 10:00 PM and 6:00 AM? Got it.

If you have a kid who can "reprogram" his phones provider settings, then take him out of school now and send him to MIT because he's a technological genius. Not even wiping a phone changes provider settings.

As far as wifi is concerned, whats a kid doing with the wifi password at the school to begin with? All school devices should be hooked up to wifi already, if a kid has the password then the IT needs to be fired.
 
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double post, but this has the feel of a political forum thread, because I don't feel any better about humanity after having read through it all.
 
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YorkVol said:
Yeah, we did that the first time, but he was sly and would be using the wifi to facebook, chat etc, so now we take it for the duration of the penalty. Well, we did, but he hasn't lost it this marking period yet.
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The new app locks wifi
 
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Coug said:
Sounds like a typical school fight where everyone walked away alive and certainly didn't require a call to authorities, so what's your point?
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2 kids went to the hospital and the school was unaware of a problem till we brought it to their attention.......the next day.......they denied it happened....... Till the janitor went to check and found blood. Who is going to call the authorities when you don't know what's going on in your school 50 feet from the office. (That's where the locker room is, right under their nose)
I guess my point is the administrator of the cell phone F up hid behind "that's policy ". You can't have a policy for everything.
 
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MaxamusXIII said:
2 kids went to the hospital and the school was unaware of a problem till we brought it to their attention.......the next day.......they denied it happened....... Till the janitor went to check and found blood. Who is going to call the authorities when you don't know what's going on in your school 50 feet from the office. (That's where the locker room is, right under their nose)
I guess my point is the administrator of the cell phone F up hid behind "that's policy ". You can't have a policy for everything.
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As for the school staff missing the fight, it's far more common than you think. I can think of a dozen school fights that took place in the locker room, gym, or bathroom where nobody knew about it until it was over.

As for the cell phone policy... I'm sure the schools have developed some type of standalone policy just for the growing epidemic of cell phones in schools. I'm not so sure she's "hiding behind a policy" so much as stating the fact that there is a policy and it will be followed through.

Sucks for the kid but she got herself into the mess. The dad was given an alternate phone for emergencies so anything beyond that he's just trying to show himself.
 
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MaxamusXIII said:
2 kids went to the hospital and the school was unaware of a problem till we brought it to their attention.......the next day.......they denied it happened....... Till the janitor went to check and found blood. Who is going to call the authorities when you don't know what's going on in your school 50 feet from the office. (That's where the locker room is, right under their nose)
I guess my point is the administrator of the cell phone F up hid behind "that's policy ". You can't have a policy for everything.
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So because they can't have a policy for everything, you're upset that they do have a policy for somethings?
 
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MaxamusXIII said:
Depends on which topic you wish to apply it too and which example as we've discused several.
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Your locker room fight example was worthless. It was in no way related to the topic. It wasn't the same school system. It wasn't the same issue.
 
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My junior and senior years of HS there were 78 deaths in my class that could have been prevented if iPhones had been invented
 
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MaxamusXIII said:
I would copy and paste from my kids school policy on cell phones but I don't want to give the school name.

The policy is when there are discipline issues involving cell phones, phones will be turned into the school office before the 1st class and returned after the last. Phones will not be kept over night as it is a safety issue.

Funny how high performing schools consider it a safety issue but a public school teacher thinks it's a reach. On second thought that's about right.
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I missed this earlier. But since it's such a major safety issue: how many times have your kids been saved by their cell phone?
 
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Daloth said:
As a man who used to sell phones, that's not possible. You call into the phone company and say "I want x, y, and z, available on this phone." and they will do it. You want GPS on it that locks up with yours? Got it. You want him to not be able to text between 10:00 PM and 6:00 AM? Got it.

If you have a kid who can "reprogram" his phones provider settings, then take him out of school now and send him to MIT because he's a technological genius. Not even wiping a phone changes provider settings.

As far as wifi is concerned, whats a kid doing with the wifi password at the school to begin with? All school devices should be hooked up to wifi already, if a kid has the password then the IT needs to be fired.
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Forgive my use of the word "reprogram" as I didn't know any other way of putting it.

I trust you know what you're talking about. But I also know that a smart phone is just another computer that can be hacked. I don't believe anything, to include providers settings, are totally secure and there isn't a way around them. But I will accept your expertise in the matter.
 
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Vol8188 said:
What's the story here?
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That they would all be alive today if only they had the safety that comes with a cell phone. It's amazing we made it so long as a society without them. Taking them is clearly cruel and unusual and a rights violation
 
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Vol8188 said:
I missed this earlier. But since it's such a major safety issue: how many times have your kids been saved by their cell phone?
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The point you're trying to argue here is not the main issue at hand. It's a parent's decision whether they want their kids to carry a phone or not. You can't dictate whether another parent is right or wrong in wanting their kids to carry a phone, and the public school system definitely shouldn't be able to take that choice away from parents.

Seems pretty obvious to me that the rule should be that kids who have phone issues should turn their phone in before school starts and pick it up when school is out.
 
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