School principal refuses to give teen's phone back to dad

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Parents have to stop blindly signing these code of conduct and other policies. When our oldest entered HS I finally read this BS and refused to sign. It basically takes all due process rights away. It led to a few battles but be the time our youngest went to HS they stopped asking.

Don't sign these COC or discipline policies, there is nothing the school can do and they can't hold your signature against you.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm speaking from personal experiences of seeing what happened when I was going to school in the mid 1980's. Luckily, I never had any of my devices confiscated. But to your assertion that this student was a multiple offender, I say it doesn't matter. No entity has the right to confiscate my property, outside of law enforcement as part of an investigation or a crime has been committed.

If you come to my home for dinner and I tell you up front that it annoys me to have guests fiddling around on their phones during dinner, do I have the right to confiscate your phone for as long as I like?

Lastly, in an age where we have schools forcing kids to use laptops, tablets, graphic calculators,etc that we have schools confiscating iphones because they may be a distraction or whatever lame excuse they use.
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by agreeing to the rules of the handbook, you consent to giving up the phone in such a situation
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Wait, easy now... we're talking about a cellphone. Not a gun. I would think that 2 adults could reach a reasonable solution on that. I'm all for blaming the parents when necessary, but I'm not gonna use this situation as an example of kids getting out of control.
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Sure it is not a gun, but it is a question of discipline and learning to abide by the rules as you agreed to with your signature. It is in the student handbook and they all know it. The dad is enabling the child's behavior by staging this protest. The problem is the adults aren't capable of being on the same sheet of music, so the kids get a mixed message. Those parents who think their kids can do no wrong are deluding themselves.

Also, it isn't an indefinite seizure. They keep the devices until the end of the marking period, which is in two weeks in this case.
 
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joevol33 said:
Wrong. There wasn't school shootings 25-30 years ago like there has been over the last 10-20 years. Nor trying to argue, but its as simple as Google to find how many school shootings there have been and when they were. That's just a false statement to say they happened just as much back years ago.
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MaxamusXIII said:
I graduated in the mid 80s and have seen guns put away to have a fight.
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85-89: 164 killed or wounded

2010-2014: 116 killed or wounded

I did not count college shootings. I also left out an incident were 2 kids were killed from a stray bullet from a near by gun range. And where a cop pulled a guy over in front of a school and the guy shoot he cop.

Despite a major increase in population, gun violence is actually down from the end of the 80s.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/06/20/what-liberal-media-wont-tell-school-shooting-deaths-down-not-up-across-america/

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

This one only goes back to 92, but it still shows a downward trend.
http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/youthviolence/schoolviolence/savd.html
 
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The big problem is what's being reported as a school shooting.

A guy at a gun range killing two high school kids with a stray bullet is not a school shooting. A kid getting shot over gang related violence as he walks home, is not a school shooting.

But msnbc wants to count **** like this so they can scare the hell of you.
 
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Vol8188 said:
The big problem is what's being reported as a school shooting.

A guy at a gun range killing two high school kids with a stray bullet is not a school shooting. A kid getting shot over gang related violence as he walks home, is not a school shooting.

But msnbc wants to count **** like this so they can scare the hell of you.
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I got pissed about this a few months back. I looked at Wikipedia's entry on school shootings and one thing I saw was a shooting that occurred just near USC's campus. I said if that counts as a school shooting, then it needs to be updated for dozens of shootings in Memphis that happen near the U of M.
 
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It's ignorant to blame the principal here. The principal is simply enforcing the rules that were most likely drafted by the school board.

This is interesting though. The parent did sign the school rules sheet, but I see no way that this would hold up in court. Mainly because the parent probably had no alternative but to sign in. It's not like you can negotiate your own rules.
 
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crusse10 said:
I got pissed about this a few months back. I looked at Wikipedia's entry on school shootings and one thing I saw was a shooting that occurred just near USC's campus. I said if that counts as a school shooting, then it needs to be updated for dozens of shootings in Memphis that happen near the U of M.
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Agreed. There has been an upswing of violence on college campuses since the 80, but there are also a whole lot more colleges and college students now than their were in 1980.
 
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Vol8188 said:
1985: 15 killed or wounded

1986: 84 killed or wounded
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Maybe I'm looking at the wrong things, but I looked at two different sites and they both had more shootings from the 90's until now than the 80's/70's. Wikipedia was one, and a USA article was another. Not trying to argue you, just the numbers I read.
 
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Vol8188 said:
The big problem is what's being reported as a school shooting.

A guy at a gun range killing two high school kids with a stray bullet is not a school shooting. A kid getting shot over gang related violence as he walks home, is not a school shooting.

But msnbc wants to count **** like this so they can scare the hell of you.
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We are way off on a tangent here.

Not only is it theft, It is a safety issue. You can not keep a kids cell phone after school hours. If a kid gets a flat on the way home, can't call for help, and gets hit walking then the principal is responsible. And that's just one example.
 
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MaxamusXIII said:
We are way off on a tangent here.

Not only is it theft, It is a safety issue. You can not keep a kids cell phone after school hours. If a kid gets a flat on the way home, can't call for help, and gets hit walking then the principal is responsible. And that's just one example.
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The theft part, I can see. The principal isn't who I would hold responsible, he's simply doing his job. Most likely it's the school board who made the policy. She's simply doing her job.

The safety issue, however, is a very large reach.
 
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True story

My oldest who has now graduated got in a fight in the locker room in 6th grade. It was 3 against 4. One kids ribs got broken and there was a lot of blood. My son had a black eye. He told me in detail what happened so I contacted other dads and met at the school the next morning. Not only did they not know there had been a fight, the blood was still all over the locker room. I'm sure they have an effective cellphone policy though.
 
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Vol8188 said:
The theft part, I can see. The principal isn't who I would hold responsible, he's simply doing his job. Most likely it's the school board who made the policy. She's simply doing her job.

The safety issue, however, is a very large reach.
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Smh
 
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MaxamusXIII said:
We are way off on a tangent here.

Not only is it theft, It is a safety issue. You can not keep a kids cell phone after school hours. If a kid gets a flat on the way home, can't call for help, and gets hit walking then the principal is responsible. And that's just one example.
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It isn't theft if they give it back in two weeks, it is more like time out. If they don't agree with the policy, why did they sign the handbook? Their argument is with the school board.
 
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I would copy and paste from my kids school policy on cell phones but I don't want to give the school name.

The policy is when there are discipline issues involving cell phones, phones will be turned into the school office before the 1st class and returned after the last. Phones will not be kept over night as it is a safety issue.


Funny how high performing schools consider it a safety issue but a public school teacher thinks it's a reach. On second thought that's about right.
 
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YorkVol said:
It isn't theft if they give it back in two weeks, it is more like time out. If they don't agree with the policy, why did they sign the handbook? Their argument is with the school board.
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It would be interesting to see how the lawsuit went if the kid got hurt
 
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MaxamusXIII said:
Smh
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My 15 y/o loses cell phone privileges every time he forgets to turn in an assignment. He uses the safety issue as the reason he shouldn't lose it. But, he has yet to be in a situation where he can't find a friend or coach with a phone if there were an issue. It embarrasses him to ask them, which is part of the punishment. He also asked what to do if he misses the bus--how can he call for a ride? The answer is he has feet and can walk the 3 miles home.
 
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YorkVol said:
My 15 y/o loses cell phone privileges every time he forgets to turn in an assignment. He uses the safety issue as the reason he shouldn't lose it. But, he has yet to be in a situation where he can't find a friend or coach with a phone if there were an issue. It embarrasses him to ask them, which is part of the punishment. He also asked what to do if he misses the bus--how can he call for a ride? The answer is he has feet and can walk the 3 miles home.
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You know you can restrict the cell phone to where it will only call you his mother or 911 right?
 
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MaxamusXIII said:
True story

My oldest who has now graduated got in a fight in the locker room in 6th grade. It was 3 against 4. One kids ribs got broken and there was a lot of blood. My son had a black eye. He told me in detail what happened so I contacted other dads and met at the school the next morning. Not only did they not know there had been a fight, the blood was still all over the locker room. I'm sure they have an effective cellphone policy though.
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Yes, because your personal experience with a completely unrelated issue in a completely different school system is totally relevant.
 
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YorkVol said:
My 15 y/o loses cell phone privileges every time he forgets to turn in an assignment. He uses the safety issue as the reason he shouldn't lose it. But, he has yet to be in a situation where he can't find a friend or coach with a phone if there were an issue. It embarrasses him to ask them, which is part of the punishment. He also asked what to do if he misses the bus--how can he call for a ride? The answer is he has feet and can walk the 3 miles home.
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And that's your choice. The school has no right to decide whether or not a student had a phone outside of school hours. That's 100% up to the parents. Whether it was in the handbook or not, the school is very much overstepping their bounds.
 
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MaxamusXIII said:
You know you can restrict the cell phone to where it will only call you his mother or 911 right?
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You wouldn't expect kids to know how to get around that would you? :)

Trust me, a 10 year old can reprogram a phone faster than I can turn one on.
 
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MaxamusXIII said:
You know you can restrict the cell phone to where it will only call you his mother or 911 right?
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Yeah, we did that the first time, but he was sly and would be using the wifi to facebook, chat etc, so now we take it for the duration of the penalty. Well, we did, but he hasn't lost it this marking period yet.
 
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I love when kids with free government phones inform me I don't have a right to take their phones. Makes me wanna chuck those *****es out the window.
 
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