School principal refuses to give teen's phone back to dad

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hog88 said:
Zero tolerance is stupid.
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For actual weapons or drugs, there should be zero tolerance. If you have a 4 inch blade and two joints, there should be zero tolerance for that.

It's only stupid when it's applied to non weapons like squirt guns.
 
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Vol8188 said:
For actual weapons or drugs, there should be zero tolerance. If you have a 4 inch blade and two joints, there should be zero tolerance for that.

It's only stupid when it's applied to non weapons like squirt guns.
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4" blade? Come on now. Even for the joints 10 day suspension seems fair for a 1st offense.
 
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vollygirl said:
I said the military trains you, you said start 'em at 15, I said you sign yours up first.

Y'all have fun. I'm out.
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We can't afford to continue to coddle kids, esp. boys, in this society. It would be amazing if we were able to return to vocational high schools and get these kids real, marketable skills. I would much rather my kid go to vocational school at 15 than go to some liberal arts college at 18 and blow thousands of dollars on a worthless degree.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
We can't afford to continue to coddle kids, esp. boys, in this society. It would be amazing if we were able to return to vocational high schools and get these kids real, marketable skills. I would much rather my kid go to vocational school at 15 than go to some liberal arts college at 18 and blow thousands of dollars on a worthless degree.
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Oh. My. Good. Lord! Really? Not a single one of y'all understood I was referring to sending your 15 year old to the military?

I never said a high school kid learning a trade wasn't a good idea. (I did say a kid can't graduate from high school as a licensed electrician. Anybody who thinks that's possible is an idiot.)
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
Apples and oranges. And it's not her phone, it's the dad's. And he has every right to retrive it. I have no problem with the school taking the phone, but I do have a problem with them ot returning it to the dad upon request.
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So he should be mad at the daughter, not the school.

Grand Vol said:
Here's the problem with your analogy. Unless the school was charging the father a fee to get it out and he couldn't pay, your comparison doesn't hold water.

On the other hand, if your car was towed and the attendant says "sorry guy, can't get it for two more weeks, that's internal policy. But in the meantime, here's a nice Pinto you can drive around" you begin to see just how absurd this entire "rule" is.
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Bringing a phone to school isn't a right. Whatever rules the school system puts in place regarding cell phones is the school system's right! I'm pretty sure the students knew of and signed off accordingly to the policy...and I'm willing to bet the parents signed off on it as well.

Again, the child broke the rule and the school is standing behind its policy. The school has to stand firm on this or else all hell breaks loose if the rules aren't followed.

The father needs to only be mad at 1 person...his daughter.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Either way, I'm for zero tolerance on both
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That's why I'm not a fan of zero tolerance. A hunting/ fixed blade knife is a dangerous thing. A pocket knife (without a locking blade) is dang near worthless in a fight and not really a weapon.
 
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Boca Vol said:
So he should be mad at the daughter, not the school.



Bringing a phone to school isn't a right. Whatever rules the school system puts in place regarding cell phones is the school system's right! I'm pretty sure the students knew of and signed off accordingly to the policy...and I'm willing to bet the parents signed off on it as well.

Again, the child broke the rule and the school is standing behind its policy. The school has to stand firm on this or else all hell breaks loose if the rules aren't followed.

The father needs to only be mad at 1 person...his daughter.
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Who the father is mad at has nothing at all to do with this particular instance.

Sure the school has the right to put rules in place. And they have the right to enforce them and make the students abide by them.

However, a child who brings the property of a parent to school is not giving that property to the school. Not hard to understand. If that were the case, the school could confiscate TI-83 calculators, lunch money, shoes, whatever they wanted.
 
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vollygirl said:
Who the father is mad at has nothing at all to do with this particular instance.

Sure the school has the right to put rules in place. And they have the right to enforce them and make the students abide by them.

However, a child who brings the property of a parent to school is not giving that property to the school. Not hard to understand. If that were the case, the school could confiscate TI-83 calculators, lunch money, shoes, whatever they wanted.
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vollygirl said:
Who the father is mad at has nothing at all to do with this particular instance.

Sure the school has the right to put rules in place. And they have the right to enforce them and make the students abide by them.

However, a child who brings the property of a parent to school is not giving that property to the school. Not hard to understand. If that were the case, the school could confiscate TI-83 calculators, lunch money, shoes, whatever they wanted.
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OK, would you have a problem if the child brought a gun to school...from the Dad's gun collection?...and the Dad showed up demanding his gun back?

You're missing the point by hiding behind the "it's the parent's property" stance.

The bottom line is the child was in possession of a phone which was confiscated for disciplinary reasons. Rules are in place for such infractions.
 
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Boca Vol said:
OK, would you have a problem if the child brought a gun to school...from the Dad's gun collection?...and the Dad showed up demanding his gun back?

You're missing the point by hiding behind the "it's the parent's property" stance.

The bottom line is the child was in possession of a phone which was confiscated for disciplinary reasons. Rules are in place for such infractions.
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Are you seriously comparing a gun to a cellphone?
 
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I think he's saying property is property regardless of what it is. If the school has a written policy regarding cell phones and have a copy on file that the parents have signed off on, the legal system will back the school.
 
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Boca Vol said:
OK, would you have a problem if the child brought a gun to school...from the Dad's gun collection?...and the Dad showed up demanding his gun back?

You're missing the point by hiding behind the "it's the parent's property" stance.

The bottom line is the child was in possession of a phone which was confiscated for disciplinary reasons. Rules are in place for such infractions.
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Wow… You're really on a roll tonight. I thought your last analogy about towing the cars was ridiculous.
 
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Slydell said:
I think he's saying property is property regardless of what it is. If the school has a written policy regarding cell phones and have a copy on file that the parents have signed off on, the legal system will back the school.
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I get what he's trying to say. But there is not one single area of my life that is black and white. All of it is gray.

If you can live and function in black and white and feel good about, kudos to you. And I am the biggest rule follower you will ever meet, but even I understand that rules are applicable.
 
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vollygirl said:
Are you seriously comparing a gun to a cellphone?
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Are you seriously hiding behind the "parent's property" stance? You're the one that brought up calculators, lunch money and shoes...all of which are mundane things. But if you're going that route add all the other things to the list including phones and guns.

So where do you draw the line?
 
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vollygirl said:
I get what he's trying to say. But there is not one single area of my life that is black and white. All of it is gray.

If you can live and function in black and white and feel good about, kudos to you. And I am the biggest rule follower you will ever meet, but even I understand that rules are applicable.
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Volly,

I don't know what you do for a living. But if you're in charge of rules for 1000 students you have to have black or white.

If you try to say, "it's ok in this case but not ok in that case" your life will be a living hell!

That's why policies are in place for situations like this. In a "normal" circumstance should the school keep the phone, no. But you can't be wishy-washy when you have 1000 students.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Are you seriously hiding behind the "parent's property" stance? You're the one that brought up calculators, lunch money and shoes...all of which are mundane things. But if you're going that route add all the other things to the list including phones and guns.

So where do you draw the line?
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I'm not hiding behind anything. I didn't send my kids to school with a gun, and they didn't have access to a gun. So I guess I can't speak intelligently about a child who does. You win?
 
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