SCOTUS fails to stop TX abortion law.

[CardsNVols]

How is the mother's rights violated if the baby is removed from her in a safe manner so that medical interventions can be made?

Your question is probably better suited for a female or a perinatologist.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

If a man doesn't consent to supporting a child he didn't want aren't we giving the child greater rights than the man by forcing him to support it?

The woman chose to have the kid. It sucks to be a man without say in the situation.

 

[volinbham]

The female does not consent to carrying the fetus yet you would force her to against her will. You are giving the fetus greater rights.

on the otherhand, with no restrictions the female can choose for any reason to terminate the life of the fetus

the superiority goes both ways

 

[volinbham]

Who will bear the medical costs for trying to save babies that 25 weeks premature? In those cases, they have never been successful, so this would be a massive waste of money.

what about ones that are 15 weeks premature? 10 weeks?

 

[hog88]

The woman chose to have the kid. It sucks to be a man without say in the situation.

Why not the same standard for the woman if the man wants the child born?

 

[theFallGuy]

what about ones that are 15 weeks premature? 10 weeks?

not viable. Throw them in the trash

 

[NashVol11]

Snitching is going well so far

TikTokkers Are Trolling Texas Anti-Abortion Whistleblower Website With Shrek Porn

 

[RikidyBones]

Having sex isn’t an automatic willingness to be pregnant. What?

Sure it is. It's the risk you take in engaging in sex. It's the one thing that results in pregnancy. You've consented to that risk. The withdrawal doesn't give the right to kill someone else.

 

[RikidyBones]

The female does not consent to carrying the fetus yet you would force her to against her will. You are giving the fetus greater rights.

An abortion gave the woman not just superior rights, but withdrew any rights of the aborted baby.

 

[NashVol11]

Sure it is. It's the risk you take in engaging in sex. It's the one thing that results in pregnancy. You've consented to that risk. The withdrawal doesn't give the right to kill someone else.

Nope. Walking outside presents a risk that a car runs up on the sidewalk and kills me, that doesn’t mean I’m willing to die because I stepped outside

 

[volinbham]

So I recognize late term (after 21 weeks) abortions are rare (1%) but to put "rare" in context:

In 2018 there were approx. 620,000 abortions so at 1% there were 6200 late term abortions

Also in 2018 there were at total of 20,360 child (0 - 19) deaths with the leading cause being motor vehicle accidents (about 4500).

Rare relative to other types of abortion but not rare in terms of death of children.

 

[volinbham]

Nope. Walking outside presents a risk that a car runs up on the sidewalk and kills me, that doesn’t mean I’m willing to die because I stepped outside

in some ways it does if we look at "willing" as exercise of free will. you made a risk calculation and were willing to take the risk of death to step outside

just looked it up - the chance of getting pregnant having regular sex over a year without protection is 85-90%

and there's this:

• For every fertile woman who has unprotected sex, there is a 20% chance that she will get pregnant. What does this mean? For every 100 women who have unprotected sex for a month, 20 of them get pregnant.

compare that to the likelihood that stepping outside gets you hit by a car

 

[NashVol11]

in some ways it does if we look at "willing" as exercise of free will. you made a risk calculation and were willing to take the risk of death to step outside

And every woman who has been drugged and raped after a college party was willing to be raped too, that feels like a bit of a stretch

 

[RikidyBones]

Nope. Walking outside presents a risk that a car runs up on the sidewalk and kills me, that doesn’t mean I’m willing to die because I stepped outside

Simply walking outside and getting struck by a car is outrageously less likely than getting pregnant during sex. Garbage analogy.

If you stepped on the highway at night and got hit, that's closer. Nobody would be surprised.

 

[NashVol11]

Simply walking outside and getting struck by a car is outrageously less likely than getting pregnant during sex. Garbage analogy.

If you stepped on the highway at night and got hit, that's closer. Nobody would be surprised.

You’re talking about willingness, not likelihood, and depending on contraception the likelihood of getting pregnant during sex can be very very low as well. Someone with an IUD isn’t willing to be pregnant

 

[RikidyBones]

And every woman who has been drugged and raped after a college party was willing to be raped too, that feels like a bit of a stretch

Rape is irrelevant here. You're not interested in protecting the rape victims. Your arguments display that.

 

[NashVol11]

Rape is irrelevant here. You're not interested in protecting the rape victims. Your arguments display that.

I’m making what should be a very obvious point if you didn’t get distracted and lost with every single comparison

 

[RikidyBones]

You’re talking about willingness, not likelihood, and depending on contraception the likelihood of getting pregnant during sex can be very very low as well. Someone with an IUD isn’t willing to be pregnant

Sure but they still risk it. I support contraceptives. I support them being low cost to free, even.

 

[volinbham]

And every woman who has been drugged and raped after a college party was willing to be raped too, that feels like a bit of a stretch

I believe he (and definitely I) were talking about consensual sex.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Who will bear the medical costs for trying to save babies that 25 weeks premature? In those cases, they have never been successful, so this would be a massive waste of money.

We can worry about costs later. I'm sure there are plenty of things we can cut that are not necessary govt spending.

 

[volfanhill]

And every woman who has been drugged and raped after a college party was willing to be raped too, that feels like a bit of a stretch

Start with the bigger issue and work our way down. Your example is minimal from a percentage standpoint.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

The woman chose to have the kid. It sucks to be a man without say in the situation.

By giving the man a baby that was removed, you at least give the man an option to keep the baby.

 

[RikidyBones]

I’m making what should be a very obvious point if you didn’t get distracted and lost with every single comparison

There's no distraction here. You're trying to embed rape victims like you give a ****. You don't. That's not the foundation of your argument and it's merely a convenient fall back.

 

[volinbham]

You’re talking about willingness, not likelihood, and depending on contraception the likelihood of getting pregnant during sex can be very very low as well. Someone with an IUD isn’t willing to be pregnant

sure they are - they've just greatly lowered the risk but they're fooling themselves if they think it offers complete protection (and I'm sure the Dr. told them that). Hence, knowing the risks they exercise free will to engage in the act

 

[ClearwaterVol]

on the otherhand, with no restrictions the female can choose for any reason to terminate the life of the fetus

the superiority goes both ways

I freely admit the female has superior rights when it comes to her body.