SCOTUS fails to stop TX abortion law.

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utvols88 said:
There's no distraction here. You're trying to embed rape victims like you give a ****. You don't. That's not the foundation of your argument and it's merely a convenient fall back.
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Lost again. I’ll spell it out for you: a risk being present in something you do anyway doesn’t make you a willing participant in whatever happens. The risk of being drugged and raped at a college party doesn’t mean everyone who goes is willing to be drugged and raped. The risk of being hit by a drunk driver on the sidewalk doesn’t mean everyone on the sidewalk is willing to die. And the risk of getting pregnant through sex does not mean that every person who has sex (especially using contraception) is willing to be pregnant.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I freely admit the female has superior rights when it comes to her body.
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so she doesn't have inferior rights to the fetus as you claimed would be the case of having restrictions on abortion

do you support any restrictions on abortion - eg. abortion on demand for any reason through full term?
 
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NashVol11 said:
And every woman who has been drugged and raped after a college party was willing to be raped too, that feels like a bit of a stretch
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Now see... this is where the debate goes left. Throwing out these rare and extreme circumstances.
 
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utvols88 said:
Sure it is. It's the risk you take in engaging in sex. It's the one thing that results in pregnancy. You've consented to that risk. The withdrawal doesn't give the right to kill someone else.
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A woman can withdraw consent at any point during sex. But she loses the right to withdraw consent with regards to pregnancy?
 
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volinbham said:
we don't use this logic with live people - they receive life saving care; we devote resources to their basic needs. why wouldn't a unwanted baby be the same?
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I am not sure we have the resources available. And if we overrun hospitals are we sacrificing care for the already born and wanted.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
A woman can withdraw consent at any point during sex. But she loses the right to withdraw consent with regards to pregnancy?
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Does she have the right to have sex and the next morning regret it and shoot him?

Does one have the right to sky dive and shoot the guide halfway down because they withdraw consent to jump?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
A woman can withdraw consent at any point during sex. But she loses the right to withdraw consent with regards to pregnancy?
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some restrictions on late abortions have been ruled Constitutional - are they wrong in your view? do they not also violate this notion of consent to pregnancy?
 
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NashVol11 said:
Lost again. I’ll spell it out for you: a risk being present in something you do anyway doesn’t make you a willing participant in whatever happens. The risk of being drugged and raped at a college party doesn’t mean everyone who goes is willing to be drugged and raped. The risk of being hit by a drunk driver on the sidewalk doesn’t mean everyone on the sidewalk is willing to die. And the risk of getting pregnant through sex does not mean that every person who has sex (especially using contraception) is willing to be pregnant.
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Yeah. It does. It means they did a calculation to take said risk knowing what could happen. Therefore, they consented to the consequences.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I am not sure we have the resources available. And if we overrun hospitals are we sacrificing care for the already born and wanted.
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we can't have the "late term abortions are rare" argument along with the we don't have the resources for the rare instances of late term aborted babies

how would this be overrunning hospitals?

by my earlier calculations there were approximately 6000 late term abortions in 2018; there are over 5000 hospitals in the US. Even assuming all the late term were viable that's just over 1 baby per hospital each year
 
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hog88 said:
Can we all agree that the TX law is trash and needs to be struck down? Is there at least a consensus on that?
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Yeah. It's too loose. If you restricted to family on mother's or father's side, maybe. Anyone is nuts.
 
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hog88 said:
Can we all agree that the TX law is trash and needs to be struck down? Is there at least a consensus on that?
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As a Texan I support this stance. I’ll admit I’m enjoying to short term screeching by the unrestricted abortion crowd but at the same time it needlessly puts women’s and unborn children’s health at risk as this works it’s way to it’s inevitable withdrawal
 
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NashVol11 said:
Lost again. I’ll spell it out for you: a risk being present in something you do anyway doesn’t make you a willing participant in whatever happens. The risk of being drugged and raped at a college party doesn’t mean everyone who goes is willing to be drugged and raped. The risk of being hit by a drunk driver on the sidewalk doesn’t mean everyone on the sidewalk is willing to die. And the risk of getting pregnant through sex does not mean that every person who has sex (especially using contraception) is willing to be pregnant.
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willing and desirous of are different things. choosing to do something despite the potential for negative consequences is willing
 
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