SCOTUS fails to stop TX abortion law.

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AshG said:
What does a real campaign to lower abortion rates look like?

1. Scientifically sound sex education early and often - no more abstinence only programs
2. Better maternity and paternity leave policies that give more time for parent/baby bonding without fear of loss of income
3. Increased WIC payments for new parents under a certain percentage of the poverty line
4. Increased access to affordable prenatal and postnatal medical care, especially for the un and underinsured.
5. Daycare subsidies to help new parents be able to afford to go back to work
6. Streamline the adoption process to make it easier and less costly to adopt a child, and work to remove the stigma around putting a child up for adoption.
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Everyone over the age of 12 knows that ******* is how you create babies, so sex education isn't the problem.

The truth is that you have to hold women more accountable for the poor choices they make. Also, waiting until you graduate from high school and waiting until you are married solves the poverty issue for women and it also reduces the productivity of the next generation of criminals, chain snatchers and strippers.
 
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DuckInAPen said:
"The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat." Oldest excuse in the book 😁
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Like I always tell my wife, you can trace mans problems all the way back to the first woman. All is cost us was a rib.

I kid, I kid.
 
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DuckInAPen said:
"The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat." Oldest excuse in the book 😁
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I listen to some interesting podcasts, one of which is called Drunk Church History. In their series on the differences between Jewish and Christian sexual purity, they had a great story from early Rabbinical Judaism:

A man, a few days after his wedding, brought his wife to the rabbi at the local synagogue. "Rabbi!" He said, "my marriage needs to be annulled because my bride was not a virgin!"

"And how do you know she was not?" asked the rabbi.

"She did not feel as I believed a virgin should feel on our wedding night."

The rabbi thought for a while, summoned a scribe, and proceeded to annul the marriage - giving the penalty payment to the wife, not the husband. The now former husband was flabbergasted.

The rabbi said to him, "And how would you know what a virgin bride was to feel like if you had not been unfaithful before the marriage yourself? You are lucky I am not recommending you to be stoned for infidelity."

Our culture high fives men's sexual conquests, and shames women for the same. It is a mindset that must change.
 
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DuckInAPen said:
In every poor choice of this kind, a man is always an accomplice.
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Men are already held accountable... for a decision that a woman makes and for the decision they made themselves.

A man can lose income and if he doesn't come through with money can lose his freedom (jail) and his ability to see his child(ren).
Women get subsidies and govt safety nets.
 
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AshG said:
"I didn't mean to get her pregnant, so I have immunity in this situation."
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"I didn't mean to get pregnant, so I have immunity in this situation."

That can easily be a direct quote from a woman getting an abortion.
 
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AshG said:
The rabbi said to him, "And how would you know what a virgin bride was to feel like if you had not been unfaithful before the marriage yourself? You are lucky I am not recommending you to be stoned for infidelity."
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Are you sure you are quoting this correctly?

AshG said:
Our culture high fives men's sexual conquests, and shames women for the same. It is a mindset that must change.
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How should it change? There are only two options.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
How should it change? There are only two options.
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You didn't ask me, but I'll answer anyway 😁

My Church (Eastern Orthodox) subverts "the double standard" by demanding of both its male and its female adherents the cultivation of chastity and by offering penance and reconciliation to those who, though they have fallen into sin, desire to repent and to be made whole again. This is how I believe it should change.
 
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DuckInAPen said:
You didn't ask me, but I'll answer anyway 😁

My Church (Eastern Orthodox) subverts "the double standard" by demanding of both its male and its female adherents the cultivation of chastity and by offering penance and reconciliation to those who, though they have fallen into sin, desire to repent and to be made whole again. This is how I believe it should change.
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I don't understand all them there big words, but my church (Southern Baptist) says "No hunching till marriage".
 
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AshG said:
I listen to some interesting podcasts, one of which is called Drunk Church History. In their series on the differences between Jewish and Christian sexual purity, they had a great story from early Rabbinical Judaism:

A man, a few days after his wedding, brought his wife to the rabbi at the local synagogue. "Rabbi!" He said, "my marriage needs to be annulled because my bride was not a virgin!"

"And how do you know she was not?" asked the rabbi.

"She did not feel as I believed a virgin should feel on our wedding night."

The rabbi thought for a while, summoned a scribe, and proceeded to annul the marriage - giving the penalty payment to the wife, not the husband. The now former husband was flabbergasted.

The rabbi said to him, "And how would you know what a virgin bride was to feel like if you had not been unfaithful before the marriage yourself? You are lucky I am not recommending you to be stoned for infidelity."

Our culture high fives men's sexual conquests, and shames women for the same. It is a mindset that must change.
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This is what St. Gregory of Nazianzus (the Theologian) had to say on the question in the 4th century:

"The question which you have put seems to me to do honour to chastity, and to demand a kind reply. Chastity, in respect of which I see that the majority of men are ill-disposed, and that their laws are unequal and irregular. For what was the reason why they restrained the woman, but indulged the man, and that a woman who practises evil against her husband's bed is an adulteress, and the penalties of the law for this are very severe; but if the husband commits fornication against his wife, he has no account to give? I do not accept this legislation; I do not approve this custom. They who made the Law were men, and therefore their legislation is hard on women, since they have placed children also under the authority of their fathers, while leaving the weaker sex uncared for. God does not so; but says Honour your father and your mother, which is the first commandment with promise; that it may be well with you; and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death. Similarly He gave honour to good and punishment to evil. And, The blessing of a father strengthens the houses of children, but the curse of a mother uproots the foundations. See the equality of the legislation. There is one Maker of man and woman; one debt is owed by children to both their parents."

CHURCH FATHERS: Oration 37 (Gregory Nazianzen)
 
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I wish you guys would start talking about controversial subjects again, like politics, instead of abortion.
 
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Orangeburst said:
So one is pronounced dead when their heart stops beating, so should not life begin when it does?
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I'd argue cerebral anoxia (for death) and sentience (for life) could signify the beginning and end..

The amalgamation of cells and electrical activity and its "heart" doesn't 'know' it's beating at six weeks.

I haven't read through this thread, can anyone catch me up on how the anti vaxxer folks are trying to defend the "my body, my choice" rhetoric?
 
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Septic said:
I'd argue cerebral anoxia (for death) and sentience (for life) could signify the beginning and end..

The amalgamation of cells and electrical activity and its "heart" doesn't 'know' it's beating at six weeks.

I haven't read through this thread, can anyone catch me up on how the anti vaxxer folks are trying to defend the "my body, my choice" rhetoric?
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Why u calling me anti vax? Because you said so?
 
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