SCOTUS fails to stop TX abortion law.

[Rasputin_Vol]

One must be careful to not map their own personal belief system or lifestyle on others.

I know several women who were not allowed to take birth control pills and their husbands refused to wear condoms. The wife did not want more children, the husband did. The women would not refuse sex for fear of physical or emotional abuse and were not financially or spiritually able to leave the marriages.

It's not so simple. We have to stop pretending that everything is so damn simple.

Not allowed by who? And when was this, in the 1920s?

 

[AshG]

Not allowed by who? And when was this, in the 1920s?

One must not underestimate the amount of control some fundamentalists place on their wives because of the doctrine of complementarianism.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Again, those are anecdotal examples and I would argue not the norm. You can make a nuanced argument for or against anything.

Exactly. This is the type of deception that they use to support a lot of their deviance. Lets take the most extreme examples and lets form society around appeasing the 1% of cases instead of properly addressing the 99% of instances. This is some very wicked stuff that they do.

However, I’d be willing to wager my entire life savings that the overwhelming majority of abortions are performed on unmarried women due to career aspirations, one night stand mistakes, age/financial standing etc. As the OP stated, 99% are post-sex birth control.

Why can we not have an honest debate and accept that what you have here represents the majority of cases?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

One must not underestimate the amount of control some fundamentalists place on their wives because of the doctrine of complementarianism.

You didn't answer the question.

And Like I said earlier, you are focusing on anecdotal situations, if this circumstance you are talking about really exists.

 

[OHvol40]

Health insurance already covers the greater part of the financial costs that a miscarriage entails. No conceivable insurance policy, though, could compensate the attendant grief.

The point is, if the fetus is a life, then it is an insurance interest, just like a birthed human.

 

[AthensVol2007]

One must not underestimate the amount of control some fundamentalists place on their wives because of the doctrine of complementarianism.

Wish I could get my wife to accept that level of control. I might have more than 1 regardless of other forms of mitigation lol.

 

[AshG]

You didn't answer the question.

And Like I said earlier, you are focusing on anecdotal situations, if this circumstance you are talking about really exists.

This situation exists. They have asked that I not provide their name. It resulted in a divorce that estranged the woman and her firstborn from both families. It happened after 2000, so it is a modern era situation.

And yes; I take up for the statistical outliers. When their cases are not taken into account when writing laws, people can end up disenfranchised at best or dead at worst. They must be considered and their stories must be told.

 

[AshG]

Well over 50% of abortions are performed on women who already have a child; 32% on women with two or more children.

 

[AthensVol2007]

This situation exists. They have asked that I not provide their name. It resulted in a divorce that estranged the woman and her firstborn from both families. It happened after 2000, so it is a modern era situation.

And yes; I take up for the statistical outliers. When their cases are not taken into account when writing laws, people can end up disenfranchised at best or dead at worst. They must be considered and their stories must be told.

Except you can’t write laws and policy for outliers. I bet there’s been people killed while driving only 20 mph as well, but we don’t use those statistical anomalies to decide our speed limits.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Because this is a 99% conservative board with a 90% male population; there are many wonderful and nuanced thinkers among the ranks, but they are often shouted down or outgrouped.

Do you consider yourself a “nuanced” thinker as you are othering the rest of the board?

 

[AthensVol2007]

Well over 50% of abortions are performed on women who already have a child; 32% on women with two or more children.

And…?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

This situation exists. They have asked that I not provide their name. It resulted in a divorce that estranged the woman and her firstborn from both families. It happened after 2000, so it is a modern era situation.

I wasn't expecting you to name them, but anyways... like I said, anecdotal.
Oh, and did you call/contact them immediately after my post to get permission to identify them? Interesting...

And yes; I take up for the statistical outliers. When their cases are not taken into account when writing laws, people can end up disenfranchised at best or dead at worst. They must be considered and their stories must be told.

We live in an imperfect world. There will always be statistical outliers. There are always exceptions to the rule or unusual circumstances. You don't cater laws or society etiquette to appease the 1%, however. That is naive, at best, or a way to support deviant behavior, at worst.

 

[VolStrom]

Do you consider yourself a “nuanced” thinker as you are othering the rest of the board?

I wish I could give your comment two thumbs up!

 

[AshG]

. You don't cater laws or society etiquette to appease the 1%, however.

In America you do! But only if the 1% is the 1% in net worth. But that's another discussion.

I did not call my friend. This is a long-standing understanding from when she shared her story with me and my wife.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Because this is a 99% conservative board with a 90% male population; there are many wonderful and nuanced thinkers among the ranks, but they are often shouted down or outgrouped.

I think clever, shrewd, crafty, wily or dodgy is more like it.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

In America you do! But only if the 1% is the 1% in net worth. But that's another discussion.

And you don't see me here supporting that nonsense, either.

I did not call my friend. This is a long-standing understanding from when she shared her story with me and my wife.

Meh, I find it very hard to believe a husband can really control what goes into his wife's body in a post-second wave feminist America.

 

[Rickyvol77]

One must be careful to not map their own personal belief system or lifestyle on others.

I know several women who were not allowed to take birth control pills and their husbands refused to wear condoms. The wife did not want more children, the husband did. The women would not refuse sex for fear of physical or emotional abuse and were not financially or spiritually able to leave the marriages.

It's not so simple. We have to stop pretending that everything is so damn simple.

Their choice

 

[AshG]

And you don't see me here supporting that nonsense, either.


Meh, I find it very hard to believe a husband can really control what goes into his wife's body in a post-second wave feminist America.

Control through religion is still a very real thing.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Control through religion is still a very real thing.

Your talking outliers. That situation you are talking about (especially in this hedonistic country right now) is very, very rare. I'm not saying that situation doesn't exist, but I am saying that I probably have more fingers and toes than there are occurrences of this in all of America.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Control through religion is still a very real thing.

So is control through politicism, environmentalism, collectivism, or any other entrenched beliefs

 

[AshG]

Do you consider yourself a “nuanced” thinker as you are othering the rest of the board?

Who said I wasn't placing myself in the 99%?

And stating existing methods of population distribution for the purpose of explaining action and reaction is far from othering.

 

[85SugarVol]

The point is, if the fetus is a life, then it is an insurance interest, just like a birthed human.

That’s an interesting point.

Also interesting that in the eyes of the law in many states, the murder of a pregnant woman also entails the murder of her unborn fetus. So in that instance, I would argue the State clearly recognizes the unborn fetus as a “life”.

 

[DuckInAPen]

The point is, if the fetus is a life, then it is an insurance interest, just like a birthed human.

Why would anyone carry life insurance on his unborn child? What loss would be made whole by the payout?

Health insurance policies, on the other hand, do cover prenatal care for the unborn child.

 

[OHvol40]

Why would anyone carry life insurance on his unborn child? What loss would be made whole by the payout?

Health insurance policies, on the other hand, do cover prenatal care for the unborn child.

Prenatal care has nothing to do with what I’m talking about. This Texas law implies that the fetus is a life at 6 weeks I believe, so if it is basically considered a child at that point then what’s the difference between life insurance at 6 weeks gestation and 1 week postpartum?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Prenatal care has nothing to do with what I’m talking about. This Texas law implies that the fetus is a life at 6 weeks I believe, so if it is basically considered a child at that point then what’s the difference between life insurance at 6 weeks gestation and 1 week postpartum?

What would you collect on a life insurance policy if your baby dies at one week old?