SEC coaches hot seat

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pimo1 said:
I do not think DeBoer or Venables are in any danger of being fired. I think Stoops is also fine. Napier is definitely on the hottest of seats. Funny enough Napiers hot seat is making Kiffin's life hell because he is probably having to convince his team weekly he's not leaving for Florida. If Pittman and Stoops make bowl games they are fine. The problems in Oklahoma and Alabama is..

If they fire their coaches who is out there available and interested to replace them? UT created the roadmap and trust me people are taking note. If Alabama fire dEboer they could easily put themselves into purgatory for a decade like UT did firing Fulmer without a plan. You end up paying multiple coaches buyouts over the next decade because your fanbase is deluded and expect anyone to come in and win championships. The Dynasty died in Bama officially once Saban retired realistically about a year or two before. The Dynasty never existed in Oklahoma.
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Stoops is on an inverse hot seat. UK would love for him to stay, but I think he wants out. I don't think he's facing any heat from his administration whatsoever.

The only reason he hasn't left already is because he's going to be hard pressed to find the combo he has now of 1) big salary and 2) job with relatively low pressure/expectations.
 
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05_never_again said:
The only reason he hasn't left already is because he's going to be hard pressed to find the combo he has now of 1) big salary and 2) job with relatively low pressure/expectations.
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Until recently, Vandy and/or Kansas would fit that description.
 
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05_never_again said:
I think he'd likely be very interested in the Iowa job if Ferentz retires, but I wonder if that would come with a slight pay cut. Ferentz makes $7m, Stoops makes $9m.
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Yeah, I'm not sure Iowa fans or boosters would go for that hire.
 
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05_never_again said:
Stoops is on an inverse hot seat. UK would love for him to stay, but I think he wants out. I don't think he's facing any heat from his administration whatsoever.

The only reason he hasn't left already is because he's going to be hard pressed to find the combo he has now of 1) big salary and 2) job with relatively low pressure/expectations.
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Exactly. You gotta put success in context. Kentucky has had 4 10+ win seasons EVER. Half of those are under Stoops. The other 2 came in 1950 and 1977. Since 1961 UK has had one coach that has won more games than he lost. To go to a coach with a higher winning percentage you'd have to go back to Bear Bryant in the 1950's. He is literally the winningest coach Kentuky has ever had and the only one that's lasted more than 8 years.

They are most likely to win 6 games but even if they missed a bowl I don't think they fire him. Vandergriff is not a bad QB next year with a year as a starter under his belt he might be ok.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Can't really count Grinch since he worked as DC for five years before getting canned.

Same thing with Diaz. He was DC for a couple of years under Brown.

Littrell was literally in his first season as OC at OU.

It happens during the season, yes, but I'm not sure if a Coordinator in their first year has ever done so bad they got fired before the season was up.
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That was just a proactive CYA firing.
 
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pimo1 said:
Exactly. You gotta put success in context. Kentucky has had 4 10+ win seasons EVER. Half of those are under Stoops. The other 2 came in 1950 and 1977. Since 1961 UK has had one coach that has won more games than he lost. To go to a coach with a higher winning percentage you'd have to go back to Bear Bryant in the 1950's. He is literally the winningest coach Kentuky has ever had and the only one that's lasted more than 8 years.

They are most likely to win 6 games but even if they missed a bowl I don't think they fire him. Vandergriff is not a bad QB next year with a year as a starter under his belt he might be ok.
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Vandagriff vacated UGA knowing he'd be a senior 'starter' when Beck graduated. They got one or two in the dawg house that were gonna keep Vandagriff on hte bench next year if he didn't bail. He seemd capable enough when he did get playing time, but he has struggled to look like a SEC QB this year and that may not all be on him. UGA will have Rashada and Stockton. Stockton was a big time HS recruit. Had over 13K passing, 177 TD's and over 4K rushing in HS from just up the road in NGA. Not sure how it will play out between him and Rashada.
 
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GVF said:
Vandagriff vacated UGA knowing he'd be a senior 'starter' when Beck graduated. They got one or two in the dawg house that were gonna keep Vandagriff on hte bench next year if he didn't bail. He seemd capable enough when he did get playing time, but he has struggled to look like a SEC QB this year and that may not all be on him.
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That was kinda why I said he's not bad.. he is severely lacking a supporting cast. But I think a year with those guys and they have promising freshman RBs in Wilcox and Patterson. If they can get a WR and/or develop their current ones some they might be ok to be a 7-8 win team next year. 7-8 wins at Kentucky is the equivalent of a 10-win season here.
 
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pimo1 said:
That was kinda why I said he's not bad.. he is severely lacking a supporting cast. But I think a year with those guys and they have promising freshman RBs in Wilcox and Patterson. If they can get a WR and/or develop their current ones some they might be ok to be a 7-8 win team next year. 7-8 wins at Kentucky is the equivalent of a 10-win season here.
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Yeah. Cat fans get overheated thinking they run with the big boys. THey need to be happy. They will never enjoy this usccess again after Stoops' time. Woulda been interesting what he might could do at a legit contender school. But, he played it out too long. Those interests have passed him. But, he always seemd to get that those jobs are fly by night, and he chose to stick with a school. Considering what he's done there, IMO he's a very good HC.
 
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Lots and lots of grumbling out here in Soonerland about Venables...

I could be wrong and he may not make it another year. The only thing in his favor is the fact there aren't really any G5 coaches or P4 coordinators making waves at the moment. I'm not sure that can (or will) pull someone from a P4 school.

OU is going to want someone good this time.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Lots and lots of grumbling out here in Soonerland about Venables...

I could be wrong and he may not make it another year. The only thing in his favor is the fact there aren't really any G5 coaches or P4 coordinators making waves at the moment. I'm not sure that can (or will) pull someone from a P4 school.

OU is going to want someone good this time.
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I'd be surprised with the buyout. However, I guess if A&M can do it....
 
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YankeeVol said:
I'd be surprised with the buyout. However, I guess if A&M can do it....
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I'd be surprised since Joe C tends to be very loyal to coaches he has and gives them all the rope they need to either:

Hang themselves...

Or pull themselves up.

I personally think he's got at least another year. But then again, it's a new world with the SEC.
 
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LAVol1 said:
1. Venables (after getting killed by SC, the future looks very dim for Venables)*
2. Napier (could save his job if he pulls out a couple more wins)
3. Stoops (His worst coaching job of his career this season).
4. DeBoer (Bama loses another game, maybe 2, and the fan base goes postal on DeBoer)
5. Pitman (Pigs lose 3 more and finish 6-6).

Everyone else looks safe for now.


*Should the Vols hire Venables as DC if he gets canned and Banks gets a HC job?
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1. Venables Buyout $44.8 million
2. Napier Buyout $27 million
3. Stoops Buyout $44.4 million
4. DeBoer Buyout $70 million
5. Pitman $12.1 million if he has a 500 record or better
6. Freeze $20.3 million
 
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Oklahoma is not an sec caliber program and will never be. If Texas played a real schedule, they wouldn't be either.
 
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sami said:
And it works perfectly with the 'coaching rehab' program.
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He still wants to coach after losing a HC gig? Line forms to the left. No rehab needed. That being said, every NC that has ever been won had someone other than him as the OL coach.
 
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butchna said:
He still wants to coach after losing a HC gig? Line forms to the left. No rehab needed. That being said, every NC that has ever been won had someone other than him as the OL coach.
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I think he’s back next year. Decent chance Arkansas could win 8 games after a bowl looking at the schedule, Louisiana Tech and Missouri should be wins. But Arkansas never seems to beat Missouri so who knows.

I could also see him just hanging it up and going out on a high note.
 
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dobre_shunka said:
He's never getting another deal like he was allegedly offered by A&M but if he does, whoever makes that offer needs to be put on a 48 hour psychiatric hold. And if he ever willingly leaves UK, he needs to be put on a 48 hour psychiatric hold.

UK needs a coach good enough to occasionally pull out a 9 or 10 win season once or twice a decade then collapse back to around 500. Anyone with a better record than that will get national attention from other programs and eventually leave for a higher profile school. As disgruntled as the UK fan base is right now, this is probably the best situation they could ever expect.
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I wonder if he could land at WVU. You’re spot on that he’s not getting the deal Kentucky has given him or what A&M was gonna give him.
 
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