SEC Loyalty?

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I never understood the whole "loyal to the SEC" thing. I have loyalty to THE University of Tennessee! f*** the rest of the SEC!! I hate ND too but I hope they beat the elephants.
 
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utvolkyle06 said:
I want to be in the best conference in the nation. I want to compete at the very top of that conference. We have the facilities, the history, the tradition. If we don't have the will and guts to compete, then lets move to the MAC where it would be easy, and quit pretending.
As we say in the Tennessee mountains if you can't run with the big dogs then say under porch.
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I guess I run with the big dogs, I never say "under porch"..
 
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Bammers have been enjoying our demise over the past six years and we have fans that hope they win the NC?? If A&M would have played for the NC I would have pulled for them just because they havent played in the SEC long enough for me to hate. I hate Bammer, Florida and UGA so bad, I never pull for them no matter who they play.
 
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Cartervol said:
What are you talking about? You're missing the point.. I'll repeat it again so maybe this time you can understand it.. It does no good for these teams around us to continue to win titles and championships....
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Perhaps you're the one missing the point. Ever heard the expression "a rising tide float all boats". I know it a difficult concept to comprehend for some but the "point" is that entire conference (including even lowly Tennessee) is elevated by the SECs dominance in bowl games and OOC wins. Therefore, IT DOES DO GOOD for the teams around us to continue to win titles and championships.

Think for a moment ... why do you think that Alabama, Florida and Georgia were all rated above Oregon and Kansas State when all these teams had one loss?

Answer: It was because the SEC (not just one team but the entire conference) had clearly demonstrated a body of work over the past 6 years in NC games, bowl games and high profile OOC matchups that the SEC was clearly the best conference. Therefore these SEC teams got rated above others who played in "perceived" weaker conferences.

That in a nutshell my friend is the "point" of having all SEC teams do well. To wish losses on all the SEC teams except our beloved Tennessee team is extremely shortsighted and foolish IMO because one day, hopefully soon, Tennessee may be in a position to benefit from this perceived SEC dominance.

Go Vols and Go SEC !!!
 
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teeball said:
Perhaps you're the one missing the point. Ever heard the expression "a rising tide float all boats". I know it a difficult concept to comprehend for some but the "point" is that entire conference (including even lowly Tennessee) is elevated by the SECs dominance in bowl games and OOC wins. Therefore, IT DOES DO GOOD for the teams around us to continue to win titles and championships.

Think for a moment ... why do you think that Alabama, Florida and Georgia were all rated above Oregon and Kansas State when all these teams had one loss?

Answer: It was because the SEC (not just one team but the entire conference) had clearly demonstrated a body of work over the past 6 years in NC games, bowl games and high profile OOC matchups that the SEC was clearly the best conference. Therefore these SEC teams got rated above others who played in "percieved" weaker conferences.

That in a nutshell my friend is the "point" of having all SEC teams do well. To wish losses on all the SEC teams except our beloved Tennessee team is extremely shortsighted and foolish IMO because one day, hopefully soon, Tennessee may be in a position to benefit from this percieved SEC dominance.

Go Vols and Go SEC !!!
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I'm not wishing losses on all SEC teams. Just Bama and Florida. You ever had to watch the clock run down to :00 and hear that freakin rammer jammer song? You don't remember "Rocky Top you'll always be 2nd in the SEC"? from the Fla people? Screw them. I would happily pull for A&M, Miss St., Arkansas, even USCjr, etc,. if they were playing in the NC game.

I've been a Vikings fan all of my life. I guess if the Packers beat them tonight I have to pull for them to win another Super Bowl?
 
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I'll pull for Alabama to beat ND. I dread playing Alabama each year cause I know that there will be a beat down that's coming from them. I like it when Alabama gets beat from teams in our own conference (see aTm) from time to time. I just wish we could field a team good enough to compete with the likes of Alabama, Florida, & Georgia again. I don't care about Saban, Miles or Muschamp and I can't stand Spurrier but I'm for the SEC & it's teams that represent us as a conference when playing other teams outside the SEC. I saw where Alabama gets a big payoff that they will share with other teams in the conference. Edit: I loved it when Florida got curb stomped the other day though.
 
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Big Orange 1 said:
I'm not wishing losses on all SEC teams. Just Bama and Florida. You ever had to watch the clock run down to :00 and hear that freakin rammer jammer song? You don't remember "Rocky Top you'll always be 2nd in the SEC"? from the Fla people? Screw them. I would happily pull for A&M, Miss St., Arkansas, even USCjr, etc,. if they were playing in the NC game.

I've been a Vikings fan all of my life. I guess if the Packers beat them tonight I have to pull for them to win another Super Bowl?
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The answer for your frustration is for the Vols to man-up and beat those teams. You sound like someone who gets bullied, then gloats when someone else is man enough to stand up to the bully. I won't ever represent myself that way -- either personally, or as a fan of Tennessee.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: it does Tennessee absolutely no good for our SEC rivals to lose their high-profile non-conference games. To the contrary, the long-term effects on Tennessee can only be negative.
 
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Cartervol said:
What are you talking about? You're missing the point.. I'll repeat it again so maybe this time you can understand it.. It does no good for these teams around us to continue to win titles and championships....
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I absolutely love it when people who CLEARLY are missing the whole damned point start accusing others of missing the point.

It's simple. You want a conference that loses their high-profile non-conference games (i.e., bowl games)? Then what you're really saying is that you want a weaker conference.

A weaker conference equals less national media exposure and fewer SEC players going on to the NFL -- both of which will lead to fewer quality recruits that will consider coming to SEC schools (and that includes UT). In a weaker SEC, fewer teams will be eligible to play in bowl games and that means less bowl revenue for all SEC schools' athletic departments (and that includes UT). Less revenue means inferior facilities, a smaller budget for recruiting and higher costs to the fans to offset the shortfall. So get ready to pay more money for the privilege of watching an inferior brand of football. And, oh by the way, you know that scholarship you were hoping your daughter would get to play softball at UT? You can forget it.

And even if a weaker SEC improves the chances for the Vols to win more games and conference championships, we will not be ready to face tougher non-conference competition, so forget all hope for any future national titles.

This is so simple that it's astounding any SEC fan would ever willingly hope for a weaker SEC. And I've had Vol fans say they don't want a weak conference -- they just want all of our conference rivals to lose every game they play. And you know what? As a Vol fan, I can certainly understand that sentiment. We all can. It's just too bad that you can't have one without the other. Ultimately, our SEC rivals losing bunches of games, while satisifying on an emotional level, is ultimately bad for Tennessee. This simply cannot be disputed.
 
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Apologies to anyone who might have read my previous post before. Yes, I copied and pasted most of it from a previous (similar) thread. I get tired of typing when I am trying to penetrate hard heads.
 
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As long as we're competing with the likes of Florida, Alabama, etc for recruits.. I'm gonna hope they lose! The rich are getting richer and the poor is staying poor.
 
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Cyclopskiller said:
As long as we're competing with the likes of Florida, Alabama, etc for recruits.. I'm gonna hope they lose! The rich are getting richer and the poor is staying poor.
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That's the closest thing to an intelligent argument I've heard. And I've heard a lot of people say that. But it just doesn't make sense when you look at the big picture. Maybe if we were ONLY competing against UF, Bama and UGA for recruits, then you would have a point. But we're competing against all of those non-con schools, too. And the strength of the SEC is a big draw for a lot of the top recruits.

So I give you credit for trying to present an intelligent, non-emotional argument, but I just don't think it holds water.
 
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Other SEC rivals winning does us NO favors. If another SEC team does well it does nothing to help Tennessee. We are competing against these teams for recruits.

I'm proud of the brotherhood and loyalty of the SEC, but for the most part, I'm not cheering for our rivals to win.
 
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Hacksaw said:
That's the closest thing to an intelligent argument I've heard. And I've heard a lot of people say that. But it just doesn't make sense when you look at the big picture. Maybe if we were ONLY competing against UF, Bama and UGA for recruits, then you would have a point. But we're competing against all of those non-con schools, too. And the strength of the SEC is a big draw for a lot of the top recruits.

So I give you credit for trying to present an intelligent, non-emotional argument, but I just don't think it holds water.
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It does hold water. The SEC is in no danger of becoming the Big East.
 
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The last time Tennessee won a National Title the SEC was "down" relative to what it is now. Yeah, Bama, LSU and UGA not being very good in 98 really hurt us.
 
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99gator said:
i understand how you all feel. watching a team you hate lose brings a certain level of enjoyment

but, the sec thing is really what upset me the most about the loss.

i've read so much from various places about the sec being overrated this season and the main source of evidence being used is the sugar bowl.

in the long run, it doesn't matter. it will have no lasting effect beyond that night. not on the recruiting trail and not for the 2013 season and beyond. and the league's street cred isn't going anywhere, especially with a bama win.

but, i hate when people try to run down the league and worse is when my school is used for evidence.
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is that crocodile tears i see
 
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I was glad to see UF get beat down but the announcers keep throwing in that Strong turned down UT to remain at UL. So kinda wish UF would have beat em down. I hate ND and USC they get all the hype year in and year out I like watching them get beat down by anyone and I hate Bama with a passion but I hate ND worse.
 
#45
#45
Buck Fama.

Never. Ever. Ever. Have I pulled for Bama. I'm 50 years old (and a man) I hate them more than anything in this world Was raised to hate Bama
 
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Big Orange 1 said:
Someone please tell me how Alabama hoisting another NC trophy helps the University of Tennessee.
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My God, man, it was just explained to you in great detail. And, so far, no one has attempted to argue it logically.

I mean, if you don't want to accept the explanation that's fine. But don't keep asking for one when you're just going to ignore it anyway.
 
#48
#48
I think some Tennessee fans root for our SEC rivals do so just they can feel better because we lost to them. Dooley supporters always touted our opponent's ranking as a justification for us losing to them.
 
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TnVolz said:
You're just a dumb ass! So we should leave the SEC because the other teams win?
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They would not be there if we beat them. Justifying our failure because the conference is so good is getting old. A&M is a big 12 team that beat the best in our conference and routed Oklahoma in their bowl game.
 
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#50
1. Loving Tennessee
2. Hating Georgia, Alabama, Florida, and Steve Spurrier
3. SEC Pride

SEC Pride can suck my left nut when it comes to those 4
 
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