SEC Power Rankings Week One

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wildnkrazykat said:
I never said fire him, but I don't think he'll take you to the Bama/OSU level either.
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You said we needed "a new coach." One can only infer that Butch Jones is not the man for the job and does not need to be retained. Not sure how else to interpret your comment.

The landscape of college football has changed, and the SEC is becoming a very difficult conference. Saban has had a great run, and I don't think you will see many other teams with that kind of success in an expanded SEC. Tennessee football has some inherent deficiencies and that includes weaker in-state high school players compared to its rivals. It is getting much better, and Butch Jones has capitalized. UK fans should understand that problem. UGA, UF, LSU, A&M, Auburn, and even probably Alabama all have great high school players closer to their schools. Makes it tougher for UT.

I was just astounded that a UK fan would make that kind of comment. We are coming off our worst stretch in program history, and it wasn't Butch Jones' fault. It takes a lot of work to change that and become elite again.
 
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KBVol said:
No one compared UT and UK, including me. I was the one accused of doing it, which I didn't. And yes, most if not all rational UT fans still have questions about Butch at this point, I'm one of em. All I said was I don't want to hear a fan of a poor program which our current coach has owned to date come into our fan forum and tell us that we need to get rid of our coach if we want to win at a high level. It's asinine IMO.
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Agreed about the "good as Bama" comment. I just think of that being able to consistently be a favorite to win it all most seasons. UT is certainly capable of that as a program in the future.

You brought up the recent UK-UT games, as if that has to do with Kat's comment about Butch. Similar to Joker beating UT's worst team in years, Butch beating UK's program has nothing do with Butch's validity as a coach.
 
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BuckeyeNate said:
Don't forget the Miracle at Jordan Hare...I honestly think that play on 4th and forever was luckier than the "kick 6"...AND IT HAPPENED BACK TO BACK WEEKS. Incredible.
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Their luck sure ran out against FSU, didn't it? What are the odds a guy will pull a hammy and allow a 100 yd kickoff return in the 4th quarter of the BCSNCG?
 
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zjcvols said:
1. Alabama- Before week one, Auburn was my #1. But after their shaky performance and again realizing it doesn't matter who plays QB for Alabama, we go with the Tide number one. The defense looked great and has no weakness. Coker was efficient, Derrick Henry is a stud, and the Tide have too much talent at wideout to be concerned. However, I don't think Wisconsin is that good. I still think Bama will struggle some.

2. Georgia- Georgia had an easy game against UL-Monroe. Their secondary might be worrisome because Garrett Smith was very efficient against Georgia and Rashon Caesar had a career day. I still have no faith in Grayson Lambert. It's way too early to buy in.

3. Auburn- I watched a good amount of this game and I was incredibly disappointed in Jeremy Johnson. I thought he could be a great quarterback and it's still early, but honestly he should have thrown five interceptions. The running game was solid and the defense is better. But 238 rush yards is not going to get it done. The good news? Carl Lawson looked really good.

4. Ole Miss- An absolute laffer against UT-Martin, the Rebels again looked fast on offense and great on defense. I love their defense, but I'm still not sold on quarterback. Somebody needs to step up. They all looked good, but playing three quarterbacks semi consistently won't work well.

5. Tennessee- The secondary is very concerning, but BGSU is a very credible opponent. The run game could be one of the nation's elite and will give problems for everyone this year. Next week against Oklahoma will prove how could they are.

6. LSU- Brandon Harris is the quarterback and that's a good thing. However, LSU didn't play because of weather so we don't know how they looked. LSU has a tough test in Starkville next week for a first game. It will be interesting to see how they respond.

7. Arkansas- It was an easy game and Brandon Allen looked improved. Losing Williams hurts, because after Collins the run game did nothing but it's too early to be concerned. Not enough pressure on the quarterback however.

8. Texas A&M- It's a very solid performance by TAMU and I think this team can cause some damage. The wideouts are the best in the SEC. I don't mind Kyler Murray getting some playing time, but Kyle Allen is the better option for this team. The defense has some talent, but I thought it was a bad gameplan by the Sun Devils. I'm still not completely sold.

9. Missouri- To start, I had Missouri fifth and drop them four spots. That seems silly after a 30 point win. But Maty Mauk looked bad. Against a FCS team. At some point, Gary Pinkel has to think it's time to move on. They also didn't run the ball well. Attrition might be catching up with them. The pass rush did look good though.

10. Florida- New Mexico State is one of the worst teams in FBS, so it's hard to get a gauge on the team. The offensive line seemed solid and the quarterback play is encouraging. Kelvin Taylor has to be a force for Florida to make noise this year.

11. South Carolina- The most ugly win of the week, UNC should have won by double digits. Connor Mitch looked nervous the entire game, the defense consistently was beaten, and other than Cooper and Carson, nobody impressed on offense. This could be another long year for Spurrier.

12. Mississippi State- Southern Mississippi isn't that good, and MSU really struggled. The losses they suffered are going to affect them all year. Dak Prescott is good but he isn't Superman. Giving up 311 passing yards won't cut it.

13. Kentucky- This was the year. Kentucky was going to take the SEC East by storm, change the culture, put up 6-8 wins and make an impact. And they were taken to the final minute by UL-Lafayette. 33 points? Really?

14. Vanderbilt- LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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Louisville is legit though. They may win the ACC this year.
 
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LittleCat said:
Agreed about the "good as Bama" comment. I just think of that being able to consistently be a favorite to win it all most seasons. UT is certainly capable of that as a program in the future.

You brought up the recent UK-UT games, as if that has to do with Kat's comment about Butch. Similar to Joker beating UT's worst team in years, Butch beating UK's program has nothing do with Butch's validity as a coach.
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The reason I brought up the UT-UK games was to remind him that he has absolutely no leg to stand on when attempting to take a shot, in any possible way imaginable, at Tennessee's football program. Just like no Vol fan should be arrogant enough to throw shade at Kentucky's bball program or Vandy's baseball priogram. Would've thought that was very evident. Had a Bama or Florida fan made the comment that Kat did, there's approximately a 99.9999% chance that I wouldn't even have responded.
 
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To the op, UK dominated ULL until the 4th quarter. It was inexcusable finish, but BGSU and ULL are pretty similar. Both have been very good mid-majors. UK allowed 33 points while UT allowed 30 points. If your basis for ranking UK 13th because of points allowed then I'm not sure why UT is ranked eight spots higher.
 
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UKcats17 said:
To the op, UK dominated ULL until the 4th quarter. It was inexcusable finish, but BGSU and ULL are pretty similar. Both have been very good mid-majors. UK allowed 33 points while UT allowed 30 points. If your basis for ranking UK 13th because of points allowed then I'm not sure why UT is ranked eight spots higher.
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He ranked Kentucky 13th because they are Kentucky. Until further notice, that's exactly where they belong.
 
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KBVol said:
The reason I brought up the UT-UK games was to remind him that he has absolutely no leg to stand on when attempting to take a shot, in any possible way imaginable, at Tennessee's football program. Just like no Vol fan should be arrogant enough to throw shade at Kentucky's bball program or Vandy's baseball program. Would've thought that was very evident. Had a Bama or Florida fan made the comment that Kat did, there's approximately a 99.9999% chance that I wouldn't even have responded.
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You don't know Kat, but it's a she fwiw. She's usually a good poster.

So...if you have a weak team in any given sport, then you aren't allowed to comment on other teams? And you would shy away because another program consistently beats you? Come on. Like Hardwood said, that's weak sauce.

I don't think Kat said it out of arrogance. I don't agree with it, but I don't think she meant it as a personal insult to UT or the fans. You used it to get on a little soapbox and compare programs. Just silly stuff man. I'm gonna drop it, but just relax. No need to have a fit when someone, regardless of who they are, makes some obviously wrong jabs.
 
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UKcats17 said:
To the op, UK dominated ULL until the 4th quarter. It was inexcusable finish, but BGSU and ULL are pretty similar. Both have been very good mid-majors. UK allowed 33 points while UT allowed 30 points. If your basis for ranking UK 13th because of points allowed then I'm not sure why UT is ranked eight spots higher.
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I don't think we necessarily dominated. We just didn't put enough points on the board and it caught up to us. I expected us to give up a lot of rushing yards. Yes, it came in a few big runs, but overall it was expected with our front seven. Had we gotten 40 by the time ULL scored 17 we probably would have been fine. But we had missed chance after missed chance and were forced to wake up at the end.
 
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LittleCat said:
You don't know Kat, but it's a she fwiw. She's usually a good poster.

So...if you have a weak team in any given sport, then you aren't allowed to comment on other teams? And you would shy away because another program consistently beats you? Come on. Like Hardwood said, that's weak sauce.

I don't think Kat said it out of arrogance. I don't agree with it, but I don't think she meant it as a personal insult to UT or the fans. You used it to get on a little soapbox and compare programs. Just silly stuff man. I'm gonna drop it, but just relax. No need to have a fit when someone, regardless of who they are, makes some obviously wrong jabs.
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You can comment all you want....just expect a response commensurate with the disrespect, that's all.

Not having a fit, just responding to a stupid, disrespectful post. I tell you what, give me the UK website where I can go to tell a UK poster that if he/she wants to win a national title in college basketball on a level with say Duke, North Carolina or Connecticut, that they need to get a new coach. Wonder how that would go over?
 
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KBVol said:
You can comment all you want....just expect a response commensurate with the disrespect, that's all.

Not having a fit, just responding to a stupid, disrespectful post. I tell you what, give me the UK website where I can go to tell a UK poster that if he/she wants to win a national title in college basketball on a level with say Duke, North Carolina or Connecticut, that they need to get a new coach. Wonder how that would go over?
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Well considering we've already been to the equivalent of the Football Playoff four out of the last five years with our current coach...would be interesting to see. I'm sure you'd get some funny responses. Probably some hate. UK basketball fans are just as passionate as UT football fans, so obviously there will be plenty of overreactions from either side.
 
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LittleCat said:
Well considering we've already been to the equivalent of the Football Playoff four out of the last five years with our current coach...would be interesting to see. I'm sure you'd get some funny responses. Probably some hate. UK basketball fans are just as passionate as UT football fans, so obviously there will be plenty of overreactions from either side.
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Point. Made.

Btw, you'll never see me going to a UK bball fan site to talk smack about UK bball. Wouldn't exactly be the classy thing to do.
 
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UKcats17 said:
To the op, UK dominated ULL until the 4th quarter. It was inexcusable finish, but BGSU and ULL are pretty similar. Both have been very good mid-majors. UK allowed 33 points while UT allowed 30 points. If your basis for ranking UK 13th because of points allowed then I'm not sure why UT is ranked eight spots higher.
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Probably also doesn't help that UK won by 7 and UT won by 29, regardless of the points given up. I didn't see much of the UK game, just some of it near the end. UT had 2 TD's called back on penalties and a defensive TD that was nullified because of a "blown whistle." Could have easily scored 70+.

But, it is also conjecture when ranking teams after week one anyway.
 
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LittleCat said:
You don't know Kat, but it's a she fwiw. She's usually a good poster.

So...if you have a weak team in any given sport, then you aren't allowed to comment on other teams? And you would shy away because another program consistently beats you? Come on. Like Hardwood said, that's weak sauce.

I don't think Kat said it out of arrogance. I don't agree with it, but I don't think she meant it as a personal insult to UT or the fans. You used it to get on a little soapbox and compare programs. Just silly stuff man. I'm gonna drop it, but just relax. No need to have a fit when someone, regardless of who they are, makes some obviously wrong jabs.
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There are a number of vol fans who wouldn't say I was obviously wrong
 
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KBVol said:
You can comment all you want....just expect a response commensurate with the disrespect, that's all.

Not having a fit, just responding to a stupid, disrespectful post. I tell you what, give me the UK website where I can go to tell a UK poster that if he/she wants to win a national title in college basketball on a level with say Duke, North Carolina or Connecticut, that they need to get a new coach. Wonder how that would go over?
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So butch is to football as cal is to basketball?
 
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KBVol said:
Point. Made.

Btw, you'll never see me going to a UK bball fan site to talk smack about UK bball. Wouldn't exactly be the classy thing to do.
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I never talked smack. Love Butch, that's great. His benching of Dobbs last year would have been the equivalent of cal benching John wall to play Michael porter. If I was a UT fan I would have been pissed,
 
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wildnkrazykat said:
I never talked smack. Love Butch, that's great. His benching of Dobbs last year would have been the equivalent of cal benching John wall to play Michael porter. If I was a UT fan I would have been pissed,
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He didn't, you did. Saying that to another team's fans that if you want your team to get to playing at championship level that you "need a new coach" is talking smack.

And you have no earthly idea what you're talking about regarding Butch and Dobbs and our QB situation last year. Stick to something you know, something that doesn't involve a football.....you're embarrassing yourself.
 
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wildnkrazykat said:
I never talked smack. Love Butch, that's great. His benching of Dobbs last year would have been the equivalent of cal benching John wall to play Michael porter. If I was a UT fan I would have been pissed,
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He didn't bench Dobbs. He just didn't start him at the beginning of the year. There has been much discussion on this from promising his family a redshirt to Dobbs wasn't a great practice player. Regardless, I am fairly certain Butch Jones doesn't want to lose games. He hasn't lost anywhere else he has coached.

It was an indeed an odd comment, especially when he was hired during our worst stretch in school history, and he has overhauled the roster. It is more odd coming from a UK fan.

I don't believe Cal is the best basketball coach, but I don't believe he needs to go.
 
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KBVol said:
He didn't, you did. Saying that to another team's fans that if you want your team to get to playing at championship level that you "need a new coach" is talking smack.

And you have no earthly idea what you're talking about regarding Butch and Dobbs and our QB situation last year. Stick to something you know, something that doesn't involve a football.....you're embarrassing yourself.
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Calm down man. It's a football message board. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. :boobies::boobies::boobies:
 
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jamesthesame said:
Calm down man. It's a football message board. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. :boobies::boobies::boobies:
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They are indeed, and it cuts both ways. Kentucky poster made a disparaging comment about a Tennessee coach...and I gave my opinion....and was quite calm when I did so.
 
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