SEC Shorts Season Ending Awards

#51
#51
KnoxRealtorVOL said:
THIS!!!

That team was awful last year. Arkansas went into the swamp and beat them, but they murdered us.

It was an absolute dog fight against them in 2022, and to say their team wasn't in the same league as our team isn't accurate. They weren't even on the same planet, and still gave us all we wanted.
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Some of these goobers are really thinking I am just using "BVS" but why in the hell would I ever pick Tennessee to beat Florida? I would be a fool at this point to say Tennessee will beat Florida.

Tennessee was a better team thatn Florida in 23 and got mashed.
 
#53
#53
fossilfiction said:
Some of these goobers are really thinking I am just using "BVS" but why in the hell would I ever pick Tennessee to beat Florida? I would be a fool at this point to say Tennessee will beat Florida.

Tennessee was a better team thatn Florida in 23 and got mashed.
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Fossil, I'm going to show you a pattern, you tell me if you can predict the last part:

xxxxxxxXxXxXx_______________________

When one program is rising, and another program is stagnant (perhaps worse than stagnant, we're not sure yet), over time the rising program will surpass the other.

It doesn't necessarily happen all at once. There can be a transition period where the two programs take turns winning the annual game. Maybe, for instance, based on home field advantage. So it can go back and forth (xXxXxXx) until the rising team is well beyond the other.

That riddle above was just a model. It was not an accurate depiction of the Vols-Gators recent history. Our real history looks more like this:

xxxxxxxxXxxxxxXx____________

Why do I think we're entering the bit where it goes XxXxXx, much less the part where we take over and it looks like XXXXxXXX ?

Because I'm a Vols fan, one who prefers to see the glass half full. I like thinking well of our team and our prospects. I enjoy it. For me, being positive about and supportive of the team is a big part of what being a fan is all about.

So I'm pretty confident we will beat the Gators in Knoxville this year. Then we might lose to them again in 2026 (we start playing them only every second year, remember) in the Swamp. Then beat them again in 2028. And who knows after that, maybe we'll rip of a run of 10 victories in a row against them to start making up for the past 20 years.

Go Vols!
 
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#54
#54
They seem not to have tried to be funny in this one. Not much going on.
 
#55
#55
VFL-82-JP said:
Fossil, I'm going to show you a pattern, you tell me if you can predict the last part:

xxxxxxxXxXxXx_______________________

When one program is rising, and another program is stagnant (perhaps worse than stagnant, we're not sure yet), over time the rising program will surpass the other.

It doesn't necessarily happen all at once. There can be a transition period where the two programs take turns winning the annual game. Maybe, for instance, based on home field advantage. So it can go back and forth (xXxXxXx) until the rising team is well beyond the other.

That riddle above was just a model. It was not an accurate depiction of the Vols-Gators recent history. Our real history looks more like this:

xxxxxxxxXxxxxxXx____________

Why do I think we're entering the bit where it goes XxXxXx, much less the part where we take over and it looks like XXXXxXXX ?

Because I'm a Vols fan, one who prefers to see the glass half full. I like thinking well of our team and our prospects. I enjoy it. For me, being positive about and supportive of the team is a big part of what being a fan is all about.

So I'm pretty confident we will beat the Gators in Knoxville this year. Then we might lose to them again in 2026 (we start playing them only every second year, remember) in the Swamp. Then beat them again in 2028. And who knows after that, maybe we'll rip of a run of 10 victories in a row against them to start making up for the past 20 years.

Go Vols!
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Past performance is no guarantee of future results​

 
#57
#57
VFL-82-JP said:
Fossil, I'm going to show you a pattern, you tell me if you can predict the last part:

xxxxxxxXxXxXx_______________________

When one program is rising, and another program is stagnant (perhaps worse than stagnant, we're not sure yet), over time the rising program will surpass the other.

It doesn't necessarily happen all at once. There can be a transition period where the two programs take turns winning the annual game. Maybe, for instance, based on home field advantage. So it can go back and forth (xXxXxXx) until the rising team is well beyond the other.

That riddle above was just a model. It was not an accurate depiction of the Vols-Gators recent history. Our real history looks more like this:

xxxxxxxxXxxxxxXx____________

Why do I think we're entering the bit where it goes XxXxXx, much less the part where we take over and it looks like XXXXxXXX ?

Because I'm a Vols fan, one who prefers to see the glass half full. I like thinking well of our team and our prospects. I enjoy it. For me, being positive about and supportive of the team is a big part of what being a fan is all about.

So I'm pretty confident we will beat the Gators in Knoxville this year. Then we might lose to them again in 2026 (we start playing them only every second year, remember) in the Swamp. Then beat them again in 2028. And who knows after that, maybe we'll rip of a run of 10 victories in a row against them to start making up for the past 20 years.

Go Vols!
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Not a direct reply to your last post, just clicked the last post to explore the Saban legacy a bit more.

I appreciate the historical context you bring to the discussion. There have been many great coaches and a case can be made that any of them is the GOAT. Personally, I think there are valid reasons to make the case because each of the men excelled in different aspects of "coaching". But all had the bottom line metric of wins to use as comparison.

I don't think Saban is the best schemer or Xs and Os coach. He may not even be the best developer of young men. In fact, his recruiting prowess likely meant development of his players wasn't quite as challenging as other coaches who outperformed with lesser raw talent. Not saying his players weren't developed. Just saying while he was proficient at development, he wasn't the very best.

He was a master at the executive side and understood the value of expanding the number of analysts, was really accomplished at getting his team to perform at his standard regardless of the opponent's level of competitiveness, he adapted as the game adapted, and he made some very gutsy decisions in critical games (Tua over Hurts). His default "brand" of football is very conventional and very conservative.

Maybe now that he is retired, we will hear stories of the suspected cheating and paying of players which many of us suspect. If that comes to light and is legitimate, it will tarnish his legacy greatly. If it doesn't, I think we have to accept Bama struck gold twice with Bear and Saban.
 
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#58
#58
aaronvol said:
Ya'll, the man retired because the systems (above board and way below board) that were implemented had come to an end and he knew his run was over. When everything was fair he wasn't going to compete. So...adios.
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He wasn’t going to compete? That system has been in place for the past couple of years and they just lost in overtime to the eventual national champions. They also just signed the third ranked recruiting class in the country. Doesn’t sound like they were struggling to compete.
 
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#59
Boston Vol said:
He wasn’t going to compete? That system has been in place for the past couple of years and they just lost in overtime to the eventual national champions. They also just signed the third ranked recruiting class in the country. Doesn’t sound like they were struggling to compete.
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Revisionist history.
 
#60
#60
Pretty good wrap up to the SEC season by the shorts crew.
Fairly spot on for every team...I did laugh at the Tennessee guy. I mean, let's be honest, how many of us were actually tuning in basketball after that loss at Mizzou?

The homage to Saban at the end was pretty cool.
 
#61
#61
VFL-82-JP said:
Fossil, I'm going to show you a pattern, you tell me if you can predict the last part:

xxxxxxxXxXxXx_______________________

When one program is rising, and another program is stagnant (perhaps worse than stagnant, we're not sure yet), over time the rising program will surpass the other.

It doesn't necessarily happen all at once. There can be a transition period where the two programs take turns winning the annual game. Maybe, for instance, based on home field advantage. So it can go back and forth (xXxXxXx) until the rising team is well beyond the other.

That riddle above was just a model. It was not an accurate depiction of the Vols-Gators recent history. Our real history looks more like this:

xxxxxxxxXxxxxxXx____________

Why do I think we're entering the bit where it goes XxXxXx, much less the part where we take over and it looks like XXXXxXXX ?

Because I'm a Vols fan, one who prefers to see the glass half full. I like thinking well of our team and our prospects. I enjoy it. For me, being positive about and supportive of the team is a big part of what being a fan is all about.

So I'm pretty confident we will beat the Gators in Knoxville this year. Then we might lose to them again in 2026 (we start playing them only every second year, remember) in the Swamp. Then beat them again in 2028. And who knows after that, maybe we'll rip of a run of 10 victories in a row against them to start making up for the past 20 years.

Go Vols!
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Be confident man. It's worked 5 times since 2000. All other times have not gone well. I don't believe my Vols will beat them. I want to see two in a row to have confidence in them. That's not asking too much. Until then, I wouldn't bet on Tennessee to win. Not even a free bet.
 
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#62
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McDad said:
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He was a master at the executive side and understood the value of expanding the number of analysts, was really accomplished at getting his team to perform at his standard regardless of the opponent's level of competitiveness, he adapted as the game adapted, and he made some very gutsy decisions in critical games (Tua over Hurts). His default "brand" of football is very conventional and very conservative.

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Agree with everything you say here, McDad.

Especially think you've scratched at Saban's legacy in a big way with that bolded line. Much as Napoleon turned war from a "sport" of the elites into total warfare with the levee en masse (conscription of ordinary people, serfs, etc), Saban turned college football away from tight-knit squads of a dozen or so coaches and graduate assistants into factories of analysis so that each of the 10 assistant coaches is free to spend less time in the film room and texting recruits, and more developing the lads on the practice field.

Factory football at the college level; that's Nick Saban's hidden legacy. He and Napoleon both won a lot of battles, for sure, and that's how most will remember them. But the innovations they brought to the enterprise that changed its complexion, that's their lasting contribution.

Go Vols!
 
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#63
VFL-82-JP said:
Agree with everything you say here, McDad.

Especially think you've scratched at Saban's legacy in a big way with that bolded line. Much as Napoleon turned war from a "sport" of the elites into total warfare with the levee en masse (conscription of ordinary people, serfs, etc), Saban turned college football away from tight-knit squads of a dozen or so coaches and graduate assistants into factories of analysis so that each of the 10 assistant coaches is free to spend less time in the film room and texting recruits, and more developing the lads on the practice field.

Factory football at the college level; that's Nick Saban's hidden legacy. He and Napoleon both won a lot of battles, for sure, and that's how most will remember them. But the innovations they brought to the enterprise that changed its complexion, that's their lasting contribution.

Go Vols!
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Based on what we see right now with NIL and transfer portal, perhaps the next area of opportunity to gain an advantage with factory football is to hire in Admins from the NFL who know how to manage roster payroll and free agency.
 
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#64
#64
fossilfiction said:
Be confident man. It's worked 5 times since 2000. All other times have not gone well. I don't believe my Vols will beat them. I want to see two in a row to have confidence in them. That's not asking too much. Until then, I wouldn't bet on Tennessee to win. Not even a free bet.
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I would bet money (not a house note, but something interesting) that the Vols will beat the Gators in Neyland this fall.

There I go, being confident again. ;)
Go Vols!
 
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#65
#65
Boston Vol said:
He wasn’t going to compete? That system has been in place for the past couple of years and they just lost in overtime to the eventual national champions. They also just signed the third ranked recruiting class in the country. Doesn’t sound like they were struggling to compete.
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He wasn't going to compete. Correct. I stand by it. This was his last shot and he knew it.
 
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#69
Boston Vol said:
Listening? No just laughing at your nonsense.
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Look...allow me to explain.

NIL and the transfer portal were upsetting all that had been built by Saban and Bama. It's not exactly as you may think though. For years, many folks, including one person I had an absolutely amazing conversation with regarding this, functioned as distributors through local businesses for payments to players. Work an hour and walk away with 5 figures. He was from a family of Tide players. His son however, who wasn't good enough to receive a scholarship was a walk-on under Saban. His business was a "middle-man" for funds from boosters to players. They were making bank as well, skimming here and there. They haven't been too happy about the loss of revenue coming to them through the old system because of NIL. They started to pull away. Remember Saban's begging for a stronger NIL system last year...it's because the old system was so entrenched and difficult to maintain that the transition to NIL was beginning

Saban had attached himself to Mark Emmert, (his best friend actually) the former LSU athletic director who hired him back in the day and who later oversaw the NCAA as the president from 2010 to 2023. Saban was protected. This was Saban's first season without that cover. Also, Emmert is a Washington alum with very strong ties to their rise. Make no mistake...the UW and Alabama ties are real here.

Also, Saban's coaching tree has proven to be poor. It's become more difficult to bring in good assistants. Kiffin made Bama better, not the other way around. Sark as well. But they were not in his tree, they were Pete's guys. Look at the utter failure of Saban's assistants outside of Kirby. The list is long and tragic. Saban discovered that less and less coaches wanted to work with him. Hence his odd hires over the last few years. If you're a young coach wanting to work your way up then the Saban tree is very unattractive. The Pirate (RIP) has a more successful coaching tree than Saban. Run the numbers.

Times change. Saban was going to leave. Things that had kept him untouchable and at the top were fading away and this was the best time to get out before he was unable to compete at the same level.
 
#70
#70
aaronvol said:
Look...allow me to explain.

NIL and the transfer portal were upsetting all that had been built by Saban and Bama. It's not exactly as you may think though. For years, many folks, including one person I had an absolutely amazing conversation with regarding this, functioned as distributors through local businesses for payments to players. Work an hour and walk away with 5 figures. He was from a family of Tide players. His son however, who wasn't good enough to receive a scholarship was a walk-on under Saban. His business was a "middle-man" for funds from boosters to players. They were making bank as well, skimming here and there. They haven't been too happy about the loss of revenue coming to them through the old system because of NIL. They started to pull away. Remember Saban's begging for a stronger NIL system last year...it's because the old system was so entrenched and difficult to maintain that the transition to NIL was beginning

Saban had attached himself to Mark Emmert, (his best friend actually) the former LSU athletic director who hired him back in the day and who later oversaw the NCAA as the president from 2010 to 2023. Saban was protected. This was Saban's first season without that cover. Also, Emmert is a Washington alum with very strong ties to their rise. Make no mistake...the UW and Alabama ties are real here.

Also, Saban's coaching tree has proven to be poor. It's become more difficult to bring in good assistants. Kiffin made Bama better, not the other way around. Sark as well. But they were not in his tree, they were Pete's guys. Look at the utter failure of Saban's assistants outside of Kirby. The list is long and tragic. Saban discovered that less and less coaches wanted to work with him. Hence his odd hires over the last few years. If you're a young coach wanting to work your way up then the Saban tree is very unattractive. The Pirate (RIP) has a more successful coaching tree than Saban. Run the numbers.

Times change. Saban was going to leave. Things that had kept him untouchable and at the top were fading away and this was the best time to get out before he was unable to compete at the same level.
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Oh ok, so when you said he wasn't going to be able to compete, you meant years down the road. He was set to return the one of the most talented rosters in the country and had a top three recruiting class coming in. So he was setup to "compete" rather nicely for at least the next 2-3 years. And given that he has adapted better than any coach in the history of the game, I think he would have somehow found a way to be successful had he decided to keep coaching any longer than that.
 
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#71
Boston Vol said:
Oh ok, so when you said he wasn't going to be able to compete, you meant years down the road. He was set to return the one of the most talented rosters in the country and had a top three recruiting class coming in. So he was setup to "compete" rather nicely for at least the next 2-3 years. And given that he has adapted better than any coach in the history of the game, I think he would have somehow found a way to be successful had he decided to keep coaching any longer than that.
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The thing is, Bama fans are not content with ‘competing’.. they want the whole enchilada or the season is a bust… spoiled, entitled fans lol.. those expectations would give anyone hypertension… unrealistic and unsustainable expectations
 
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#73
LadyVolette said:
The thing is, Bama fans are not content with ‘competing’.. they want the whole enchilada or the season is a bust… spoiled, entitled fans lol.. those expectations would give anyone hypertension… unrealistic and unsustainable expectations
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Nick, in the argument for the GOAT, only won the whole enchilada 6 times in 17 years at Bama. Sure, he won the SEC 9-10 times and usually the SEC West.

Bama fans are insufferable but they'll be okay with SEC championships and/or getting in the playoffs and not losing to AU.

I really want to see AU take 2 in a row from them just to enjoy chaos down there.
 
#75
#75
Jaxon_Vol2017 said:
So they lose to Kentucky and aTm but beat us? How? We get them at home again.
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Had them going 3-9, with one of their wins against Tennessee.

History has proven even our best teams struggle to beat Florida.
In 2022 it took a last play interception to seal the deal, and we had Hendon and Hyatt.
They smashed us last year and they were trash!

Yeah, I always have that game as a loss. Until we can consistently beat them over a 10 year period, I won't believe we can beat them.


There was absolutely NO REASON to lose to them last year. Yet we did. Badly....
 
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