Senators Call for the Grounding of the 737 MAX

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NorthDallas40 said:
And also how punitive they are when you don’t wait on their inefficient slow useless asses to finally get around to letting you do what you wound up doing anyway because you knew more about the problem than their idiot asses.
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the City of Atlanta is vindictive and petty with stuff like that. Its bad when departments disagree with each other and stuff like the above happen.
 
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"It Will Crash For Sure": Meet The Man Who Blew The Whistle On Boeing's 737 Max

Ethiopian Airlines captain Bernd Kai von Hoesslin warned about Boeing's MCAS system months before March's fatal crash. And now, he has broken his silence and officially blown the whistle.

von Hoesslin is a Canadian citizen and gave Bloomberg his first interview since leaving the airline. He shared "hundreds of pages of emails, videos and documents" to back up his arguments.
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He wrote in one email on December 13:

“It will be a crash for sure if pilots struggling with a malfunction of the MCAS flight-control system also encountered, for example, a cockpit warning that they were flying too close to the ground."​
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Time for you sheeple to come out and eat your crow. Looking more and more like the 737 Max has legitimate design flaws and not just crashes based on human error from African and Asian pilots. Like I have said, this country doesn't design and engineer jack anymore.

Boeing Backlash Begins: Spirit Airlines Orders 100 New Airbus Planes

Airline chiefs grow frustrated as 737 Max grounding costs near $1 billion
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Kelly is trying to make a deal in public. If they DO go with Airbus, it vastly complicates their business model. ALL their mechanics have to go to training. ALL their FAs have to go to training. Of course any pilot that bids that aircraft has to go to training. Then there are spare parts, the logistics of transporting them to where they need to go, etc etc etc....
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Kelly is trying to make a deal in public. If they DO go with Airbus, it vastly complicates their business model. ALL their mechanics have to go to training. ALL their FAs have to go to training. Of course any pilot that bids that aircraft has to go to training. Then there are spare parts, the logistics of transporting them to where they need to go, etc etc etc....
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We also just won the right to impose $7.5B in tariffs on the EU for propping up Airbus.
 
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TheDeeble said:
I'm not surprised an airline that has an Airbus only fleet is buying more Airbus.
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Ever heard of the ExIm bank? Boeing can sell their aircraft to foreign carriers with loans and insurance guaranteed by you and me... the American taxpayer. Guess who CANNOT get those loans and guarantees? American companies.

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We also just won the right to impose $7.5B in tariffs on the EU for propping up Airbus.
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Now take down the ExIm bank. Tariffs on Airbus hurts American airlines, as does the ExIm.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Kelly is trying to make a deal in public. If they DO go with Airbus, it vastly complicates their business model. ALL their mechanics have to go to training. ALL their FAs have to go to training. Of course any pilot that bids that aircraft has to go to training. Then there are spare parts, the logistics of transporting them to where they need to go, etc etc etc....
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This is what most people don't think of. I went through it at an airline I worked at a few years ago.

Why would someone change fleets?

1. They're unhappy with reliability.
2. A different fleet offers versatility others do not.
3. Old a/c type where parts are timing out and lack of replacements.

Adding a new fleet will also have the FAA making you their new favorite subject of interest for all the reasons you mentioned. They want to see a training program for flight crew, maintenance, ground crew. They want to see what your mx program will be. Then there will be endless visits and checks from FAA inspectors which in my experience tend to cause more delays and confusion than addressing actual issues.

Adding a fleet is a bunch of costs and headache to be compliant.
 
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TheDeeble said:
This is what most people don't think of. I went through it at an airline I worked at a few years ago.

Why would someone change fleets?

1. They're unhappy with reliability.
2. A different fleet offers versatility others do not.
3. Old a/c type where parts are timing out and lack of replacements.

Adding a new fleet will also have the FAA making you their new favorite subject of interest for all the reasons you mentioned. They want to see a training program for flight crew, maintenance, ground crew. They want to see what your mx program will be. Then there will be endless visits and checks from FAA inspectors which in my experience tend to cause more delays and confusion than addressing actual issues.

Adding a fleet is a bunch of costs and headache to be compliant.
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If LUV does decide to start buying Airbus, I would short the hell out of the stock. dyodd however. ;)
 
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Passengers Pray And Swig Whisky As Boeing 737 Suffers Engine Failure Flying To Florida

On Monday, a 27-second video filmed by one of the passengers during the air emergency surfaced on YouTube. The contents of the video are truly terrifying as the plane, clearly under reduced power, is in a steep decline. Passengers are seen holding hands and reciting prayers as their fate remained uncertain. Some passengers were seen swigging whiskey as they wanted to numb the emotional pain that their final moments could be on a ****** Boeing plane.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Passengers Pray And Swig Whisky As Boeing 737 Suffers Engine Failure Flying To Florida
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I'm about to die. Gotta be sure to get it on Facebook.

Oh, and an engine failure is exactly like what happened to the MAX airplanes. <----- the bluest of fonts

I had so many engine failures in the military I stopped counting. None in the civilian world however. It's not as big of a deal that the movies make it out to be. Airplanes will fly just fine for a long time on one engine.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
The plane has THOUSANDS of flight hours. The Ethiopian pilot had 250 on that airframe. Think about that. A kid has more time behind the wheel of a car with a learners permit than this dude had as a pilot of that plane.

Another thing everyone must consider which oddly is being left out of the news is that these countries maintenance programs are 100% sh!t. Their training programs are sh!t. The fact people are shocked that a plane crashed from a country where they go through mass famine and starvation every few years is itself shocking.

A bigger issue is being ignored here though. 2 countries with tons of muslims..2 plane crashes. ..Patriots win superbowl....Easter a month a way...final season of Game of Thrones. Coincidence?
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Still want to blame the victims in this or are coming around to actually blaming Boeing now?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Still want to blame the victims in this or are coming around to actually blaming Boeing now?
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Pilots still get a large part of the blame. Plenty of others experienced the issue and didnt dive bomb into the ground. I would always think twice before getting on any plane operated out of a non heavily Westernized country. Boeing shares a lot of the blame though.

But I can't emphasize enough that the lack of training and quality control in foreign repair stations is enough for me to avoid a lot of airliners even though the FAA tries its best to help out the turd worlders.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Pilots still get a large part of the blame. Plenty of others experienced the issue and didnt dive bomb into the ground. I would always think twice before getting on any plane operated out of a non heavily Westernized country. Boeing shares a lot of the blame though.

But I can't emphasize enough that the lack of training and quality control in foreign repair stations is enough for me to avoid a lot of airliners even though the FAA tries its best to help out the turd worlders.
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Dude, even the western pilots have been complaining. Its bigger than just pilot training.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Dude, even the western pilots have been complaining. Its bigger than just pilot training.
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I know, but Western pilots havent dumped one into the ground because they are better trained. I am literally an expert in this field...not like a CNN expert, but a real one.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
I know, but Western pilots havent dumped one into the ground because they are better trained. I am literally an expert in this field...not like a CNN expert, but a real one.
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The point is that the plane has an obvious design flaw. The extra training you claim western pilots may have had still misses the point that the extra training is a way to mask/cover up the design errors. If anything, you should see what I'm saying because you are the end user. You shouldn't have to learn special tricks or hacks to fly a plane. It is the job of the engineers and designers to make the equipment and operation as intuitive and simplistic as possible.

Why should pilots have to get extra training to compensate for a piss poor design? That is where your mind should be. Not throwing stones at pilots from other countries that didn't have as many hours of training. It is obvious by now that Boeing has been selling a lemon. If I were a pilot/end user, I would be pissed at Boeing and not throwing foreign pilots under the bus.
 
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I have refrained from comment on this story because I really haven't been following it that closely and I do not know much about the failed system. However, I will say this: If Boeing is going to sell airplanes to the Third World, they need to design them for that level of competence. Airbus does. Boeing (as is my understanding) only had one sensor to detect an impending stall that was attached to the stick pusher. IMHO, that is insane. No backup? Every modern airliner that is computer controlled has several that check each other. Why didn't this one? Politics will win the day on this because apparently our entire economy runs on Boeing so the MAX will be back in the skies again, probably sooner rather than later. I know I ain't getting on one for a few years I don't care who's flying it. Boeing hasn't produced a good airplane in 30 years. (And I have over 15,000 hours in Boeing airplanes.
 
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